Megane 225 gear lever issue

[RichValver]

Hope its ok to post on here about a megane but I'm assuming there's some knowledge in here for them

I have an issue where the gearstick on my megane 225 sticks between 1-2nd in neutral and is difficult to get 3rd or 4th

Seems like a common issue, does anyone know what I need to replace to fix this? Links or any traders who can sort out what I need?

Any help appreciated

Rich

 

[dann2707]

Is it quite stuff to go left and right when in neutral?

 

[RichValver]

Is it quite stuff to go left and right when in neutral?

It pretty stiff yea, and as I said it like centres itself between 1st and second gear so is hard to work out where 3rd/4th are

1st/2nd and 5th/6th are ok to find

 

[mad pierre]

May need the bush reaming out and greasing. Done mine. now gearshift smooth as.

Stiff gearshift

 

[RichValver]

May need the bush reaming out and greasing. Done mine. now gearshift smooth as.

Stiff gearshift

Do you have a rough guide of what needs doing by any chance? I'm not a member of RSmegane so can't see guides on there

Thanks

Rich

 

[JamesBryan]

The white plastic bush needs reaming out as mentioned. Happend on my brother's 225 years ago.

Need to pop the selector out the top of the box and then remove the c clip type thing off the end and slide the rod out.

I'll see if I can find the pics I took from years back.

 

[RichValver]

The white plastic bush needs reaming out as mentioned. Happend on my brother's 225 years ago.

Need to pop the selector out the top of the box and then remove the c clip type thing off the end and slide the rod out.

I'll see if I can find the pics I took from years back.

Yes please mate, that would be much appreciated. I'd like to get an idea of what I need to do before taking things apart

Doesnt sound like I need to replace anything then

Rich

 

[YorkshireKyle]

The cables on 225s are w**k. Take the shifter off and hang it up and spray WD down the cables and work them

 

[JamesBryan]

Yes please mate, that would be much appreciated. I'd like to get an idea of what I need to do before taking things apart

Doesnt sound like I need to replace anything then

Rich

Can see the white sleeve here

There's a 13mm bolt that is in the side of the box which pins the selector in. It's sort of under the gearbox mount area, if you have a feel around should find it. You'll need a ratchet spanner to do it.

 

[RichValver]

So remove this circlip thing, push the pin through and clean up the inside of the bush and refit? Is that correct?

Thanks for your help

Rich

 

[JamesBryan]

So remove this circlip thing, push the pin through and clean up the inside of the bush and refit? Is that correct?View attachment 1516659

Thanks for your help

Rich

The pin is fixed to the arm I think, so you'll need to remove the whole selector from the box from memory.

The 13mm bolt I was on about is from this direction..

 

[RichValver]

The pin is fixed to the arm I think, so you'll need to remove the whole selector from the box from memory.

The 13mm bolt I was on about is from this direction..

View attachment 1516660

Right ok thank you, and its underneath the gearbox mount somewhere.

Seems straight forward enough

Rich

 

[JamesBryan]

Right ok thank you, and its underneath the gearbox mount somewhere.

Seems straight forward enough

Rich

Yeah pretty much where the arrow is but underneath if you get me.

 

[JamesBryan]

Don't break the tabs on the cable clips either otherwise it's new cable time

 

[RichValver]

Yeah pretty much where the arrow is but underneath if you get me.

I will update with how I get on, thanks very much

Rich

 

[RichValver]

Don't break the tabs on the cable clips either otherwise it's new cable time

I don't need to disconnect the cables do I?

 

[JamesBryan]

I don't need to disconnect the cables do I?

To get the whole selector out yeah...

Unless you can manage to do the white sleeve in situ.

 

[Matt e]

Use a 10mm drill bit in the bush, and grease it up

 

[RichValver]

Use a 10mm drill bit in the bush, and grease it up

Thanks for the tip

Will report back once iv tackled it

Rich

 

[m&l172ph1]

Had to this on my R26 box I put into my clio. Made it much nicer. Mine wouldn't centre properly, would just stay to the left. 3rd gear was the worst to select.

 

[dann2707]

The pin is fixed to the arm I think, so you'll need to remove the whole selector from the box from memory.

The 13mm bolt I was on about is from this direction..

View attachment 1516660

14mm btw just Incase you spend an hour trying to get your 13mm on haha

 

[JamesBryan]

14mm btw just Incase you spend an hour trying to get your 13mm on haha

Is it

 

[dann2707]

Is it

Yeah haha guess how I found out? Definitely nothing to do with my first post hahahahaha....

 

[JamesBryan]

Yeah haha guess how I found out? Definitely nothing to do with my first post hahahahaha....

Been years since I've done one, but could have sworn it was a 13mm.

14mm is such an odd size on them, can usually do the whole car with 10, 13, 17, 19mm

 

[dann2707]

Been years since I've done one, but could have sworn it was a 13mm.

14mm is such an odd size on them, can usually do the whole car with 10, 13, 17, 19mm

Exactly why it threw me off too. 150% a 14mm on them all as I've removed about 6 of them now

Must have something to do with it being a spring ball on the end of the bolt as it's not a standard bolt.

 

[VenomUK]

Sorry to drag up an old one. The Megane 225 decided to sack off 5th, 6th and reverse. All was working fine but since getting the car I have noticed that it never liked centring so I reamed the bush and this helped but didn't solve the throwing issue.

if you imagine the gearbox is in nurtural, from centre to left (1st & 2nd) the throw seems fine. from centre to right (5th & 6th) there is very little lateral movement, and when driving going from 4th to 5th feels as though it's in a straight line (I've never managed to miss 5th and get 3rd). After taking the car out and trying to select reverse it feels as though it simply won't go over far enough now and hits the max travel, lift the collar for reverse and then try reverse I get 4th?

 

[YorkshireKyle]

Sorry to drag up an old one. The Megane 225 decided to sack off 5th, 6th and reverse. All was working fine but since getting the car I have noticed that it never liked centring so I reamed the bush and this helped but didn't solve the throwing issue.

if you imagine the gearbox is in nurtural, from centre to left (1st & 2nd) the throw seems fine. from centre to right (5th & 6th) there is very little lateral movement, and when driving going from 4th to 5th feels as though it's in a straight line (I've never managed to miss 5th and get 3rd). After taking the car out and trying to select reverse it feels as though it simply won't go over far enough now and hits the max travel, lift the collar for reverse and then try reverse I get 4th?

Has it got a short shifter fitted?

 

[Brigsy]

The side to side cable is adjustable to a degree at the selector end, did you move it when taking the cables off to ream the selector bush.

 

[Brigsy]

Has it got a short shifter fitted?

Short shifter mod on these only usually adjusts the forward/backward throw on the stick. Also usually makes them feel even more agricultural

 

[VenomUK]

@Tubbs Vice @Brigsy
Yes, engine dynamics short shifter fitted.

When fitted the box was dropped as having the clutch done and removed the selector and worked on a bench and reinstalled and then put the box back in the car. The throw felt the very same after the box was put back in and cables were removed from the box end, not the gear stick end.

Selector end, as in the gearbox selector or the gear stick selector?

 

[Brigsy]

Selector end as in the gearbox end. The side to side cable has adjustment, if you pop the clip off you can get a few mm adjustment either way.

Its worth checking the cable to make sure its moving ok, not kinked or damaged somehow restricting movement. Also if in doubt pop the gear cable off the selector and check you can get the gears ok manually moving it.

Instructions to check gear cable settings

 

[YorkshireKyle]

Aye they're a proper c**t too, had to do mine and even when I got it "right" it still needed more adjustment

 

[Brigsy]

I fucked on with the trophy cable adjustment as the gearchange is a bit off and it still does not seem bob on. When i pull the box out to fit the new clutch ill prob change the cables. Ive got a new bush from cooksport too as ive reamed it out but still not the best.

 

[VenomUK]

Thanks, I'm 99% I can select manually by operating the selector by hand. I suspect it is a chuffed cable. Moving the stick right towards the diver does it push or pull the cable? I'm taking a guess it pushes. Also, I think this has been the issue all along and the cable has now given up as the shift never felt right from the day I got the car. Just glad it happened when I was an hour away from home and not in Germany!! Somehow, I don't think the adjustment is going to be much use as it feels like it needs a lot of adjustment.

 

[YorkshireKyle]

Check the ends of your cable, mine was really s**t to get into gears for ages

Then all of a sudden

Cable just pulled apart and left me stranded

 

[VenomUK]

So from Centre to left throw it pull the selector. Centre to right the selector arm doesn’t move at all, then lifted the collar and moved it right even more and the selector didn’t move. So I’m calling that a f***ed cable! Moving the stick up and down the selector is moving with positive throws. I guess the only test to do is manually select 5th and 6th but I’m concluding it’s the cable that’s decided to rip up its ticket and call it a a day…

 

[Brigsy]

Id be fairly confident that the cable is at fault from that diagnosis however id defo pop the cable off the selector and manually move the arm to confirm that it will move in that direction, as i have seen the ndo's break and lose a gear or two for whatever reason.

 

[VenomUK]

I will do that tomorrow at work and confirm 100%. If for some reason the gearbox did decide to s*** itself would I not hear it in the box?

Also are these the bushes you got from cooksport @Brigsy ?

 

[Brigsy]

They are indeed the bushes, not fitted mine yet.

My mate had similar happen to a ndo and it drove ok just lost a gear or two.

 

[VenomUK]

They are indeed the bushes, not fitted mine yet.

My mate had similar happen to a ndo and it drove ok just lost a gear or two.

I’m sure when I was messing around Sunday morning I was pull and pushing the selector fork but will give it another go tomorrow to double check, I didn’t remove the cable but I was moving the selectors around.

Just for future knowledge, how do you remove the cable, pull it off or is there a clip?

Also don’t suppose you know if any guides to changing the cables over, much needs to be removed etc?