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Subways V6 - seriously considering it
- Thread starter Jamie _Swales
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no, only on a HPi check.
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
At what point is the line drawn?
I mean, I bumped up a kerb the other day, which has probably knocked my tracking out, but my tyres have yet to show signs of uneven wear.
If I sold my car without stating that in the advert or specifically drawing attention to it, I'm being out of order?
Let's say there was a cigarette burn in the carpet - and you don't tell the buyer, they don't notice it, pay you an agreed price, and then drive away - only to discover it a week down the line. Is that out of order too?
Can everyone who is criticising Adam put their hand on their heart and state with total conviction that they have never sold a car having knowingly withheld information that would affect the car's value?
I doubt it.
What f**king planet are you on? Do you have a serious crack dependency?
There's a little bit of a difference between a cig burn that can be easily repaired and wont affect the value to a car that has been written off, has a HPI notice saying it's being written off and selling it as a minter.
Clearly the line is drawn at writing the f**king thing off lol
Yes, I can honestly say that when I have sold cars in the past I disclose EVERY bit of info and fault that is known about. I'd certainly not list a car as not being written off when it has, I'd have to kick my own ass for being such a dishonest piece of s**t
My 2ps worth.
You have a valid point Mark, and at the end of the day its sold as seen etc.
Although that don't mean we have to be deliberate w*****s when selling a car, cig burns and the like are minor inconviences, not declaring a cars been written off at some point, to me is slightly more serious. Just because he can don't mean he should.
Put it this was I personally wouldn't do it.
You have a valid point Mark, and at the end of the day its sold as seen etc.
Although that don't mean we have to be deliberate w*****s when selling a car, cig burns and the like are minor inconviences, not declaring a cars been written off at some point, to me is slightly more serious. Just because he can don't mean he should.
Put it this was I personally wouldn't do it.
Thats what it boils down to for me
How would you feel if you found out your car was cat D and you'd paid full whack for it?
Pissed off? Bit of a mug?
or
Thats ok, he was only trying to make money?
exactly, some people need to take their heads out of their arses and venture into the real world
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Or...maybe I should have HPI checked it before parting with £10k+ of my own money. He could have told me, maybe he should have told me, but ultimately it's my responsibility to be happy that I'm paying a price relevant to what I'm getting. Countless people in this thread have said you'd need your head examined to pay for a car without HPI first.
Caveat emptor is an often used term that seems to be conveniently overlooked in Adam's case.
Caveat emptor is an often used term that seems to be conveniently overlooked in Adam's case.
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
he paid £8k for the car....then tried to sell it on pistonheads as a non cat-d for about £18k i think...
it was me that posted it on here :rasp: the advert was removed shortly afterwards...ooopsy
I wouldn't buy it on the strength of that.
But, if you still want it, no more than £11k. You'll struggle to sell it on the future, and the warranty might be void unless repairs were done at the dealer anyway.
Or just buy a mint Mk1. Or save for a bit longer and get a non-CatD Mk2.
Dan
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What "buyer beware this car has been in a major accident and subsequently repaired"...........get real. Does anyone have any morals these days?
In this case, unlike a ciggie burn or a small scratch here or there, the purchaser cant see there was ever a problem with car (so long as the repairs were carried out properly)
Saying that anyone who doesn't HPI is a mug.
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
If the buyer asks 'has it been written off' or 'is it on the register' then the seller must, by law tell them.
If the buyer doesn't ask the question, the seller is under no obligation to tell them.
(it still makes you a c**t imo, but your not breaking any laws!)
If the buyer doesn't ask the question, the seller is under no obligation to tell them.
(it still makes you a c**t imo, but your not breaking any laws!)
I am talking after he has mentioned it. Just because he bought it for 8k or whatever why should he sell it at the same price when a Cat D v6 is worth more than £8k?!
See my 'Bit of a mug' comment.
Thing is if people were honest there would be no need for the HPI check.
At the end of the day though the OP started this thread knowing full well the car is cat D. So there was'nt really a need to drag Subways name through the mud again!
You are required by law to tell the new owner it has been a write off, i took a prick to court who sold be a bike that had been written off.
Maybe a poll would be a better idea, then people can gauge which sellers are lying sacks of s**t?
"would you decare a CAT C/D written off car to a potential buyer given the choice?"
Simple "yes" or "no" identifies the like minded doley scroat scumbags and decent honest non doley scroat scumbags.
"would you decare a CAT C/D written off car to a potential buyer given the choice?"
Simple "yes" or "no" identifies the like minded doley scroat scumbags and decent honest non doley scroat scumbags.
Clio 1.6 16v Dynamique +
Imho the fact Adam tried to sell his V6 on Pistonheads a while ago without mentioning it's a cat D, is totally irrelevant now. Only Adam knows whether that was intentional or not and should not be up for discussion.
The simple fact is, he is now offering his car for sale as a cat D and is asking for £14k for it. The only thing that should now be up for discussion (and as asked by the original poster) is, whether the car is worth what Adam is asking for it. This should obviously be based on whether the repairs were done properly, which of course can be checked easily enough.
I am pretty sure that Adam will be expecting any potential buyer to haggle a little over the price, we all know the golden rule, 'NEVER pay the full asking price'.
The only fair advice I can give to you lYo8 is; ignore all the b****cks about what Adam may or may not have tried to do in the past and just concentrate on what he is offering now. If you are seriously interested in his car, go along and take a look at it, take someone that knows about them with you (if you don't), and check that the repairs have been carried out correctly. If all seems well and you are still interested, then do your haggling with Adam. End of story really I think.
The simple fact is, he is now offering his car for sale as a cat D and is asking for £14k for it. The only thing that should now be up for discussion (and as asked by the original poster) is, whether the car is worth what Adam is asking for it. This should obviously be based on whether the repairs were done properly, which of course can be checked easily enough.
I am pretty sure that Adam will be expecting any potential buyer to haggle a little over the price, we all know the golden rule, 'NEVER pay the full asking price'.
The only fair advice I can give to you lYo8 is; ignore all the b****cks about what Adam may or may not have tried to do in the past and just concentrate on what he is offering now. If you are seriously interested in his car, go along and take a look at it, take someone that knows about them with you (if you don't), and check that the repairs have been carried out correctly. If all seems well and you are still interested, then do your haggling with Adam. End of story really I think.
Spot on.
Golf R
from reading all the posts, i guess one of the main problems is that he's told everyone he paid £8k for it and as such with cliosport being the bargain centre that it is, at the back of most peoples mind is this information and as such people now expect to be able to pick it up for the same price. The other problem being that obviously he tried selling it without disclosing it as a Cat D - ages ago though.
Where's the new advert for his car though, is it actually for sale? As for it's worth, i would take current market value minus £2k myself
Where's the new advert for his car though, is it actually for sale? As for it's worth, i would take current market value minus £2k myself
So if you went to a restraunt and the food was s**t would you go back? No f**king way
I'd say another critical thing when looking at a Cat D is how much the resale value will be and how long you intend to keep it. If you intend to keep the car for a long time resale value probably matters less due to normal depreciation.
oh, well in that case, my advise would be DON'T BUY IT, you can get a legit non crashed car that will actually retain value for under £15k... you'd have to be total fuckwit to pay near list price for a smashed up Vee... better advice still would be go spend £14-15k on something quick
I'd be amazed if this car was sold to anyone on here now... repaired or not, ask a sample of 10 people if they would pay near list price for a written off/repaired car and they would laugh at you. I'd not pay anywhere near £8k for it, I'd leave well alone.
Clio 1.6 16v Dynamique +
There is no reason at all why someone should not sell a car for more than they paid for it. It certainly isn't against the law, and lets face it, that's how dealers make their money on 2nd hand cars.
I couldn't agree more. Well said!
Its a anology, a comparison. If some prick sells you a write off and does not tell you, you lose out simple as that and some one prepared to con you out of your hard earned cash is a c**t in my book.
Everyone on here has driven down the price of Clios - FACT. Whenever a For Sale thread comes up I remember a time when everyone used to say 'I think you are asking too much etc'.
At the end of the day its down to Adam how much he wants for it and unless we are going to buy it its not really any of our business.
At the end of the day its down to Adam how much he wants for it and unless we are going to buy it its not really any of our business.
Golf R
Yup never a truer word spoken than with that comment. everyone on here wants something for nothing
everyone on here wants something for nothing
I think more accurately, no one wants it full stop
Clio 1.6 16v Dynamique +
Yup never a truer word spoken than with that comment. everyone on here wants something for nothing
That is soooo true and it's because we are members of a club, and alot of people expect sellers to sell them cheap to club members. This is why if I ever decided to sell my Clio (which I can't see happening), I would not sell it on here as I would not get what it is worth for it. I'd put it on Autotrader, not only would I get what it's worth, but it would sell prtetty quickly too. It's a shame as alot of members would love to see their cars staying in the club, but realistically this is becoming harder and harder.
Its a crap analogy. It would only work if in the past I had bought a cat D car from Subway without being aware. Then I found out. And then I went back and bought another car from him.
Simple as that.
TBH a full *Renault* history in a V6 probably means it's got chip fat in the sump.
To be fair though, at least you know TheSubmeister has driven it properly and the paint isn't 1 micron thick due to endless YEARS of polishing and 'claying'
I'd say if it's a good car at a good price and has been repaired properly, then why not buy it?
To be fair though, at least you know TheSubmeister has driven it properly and the paint isn't 1 micron thick due to endless YEARS of polishing and 'claying'
I'd say if it's a good car at a good price and has been repaired properly, then why not buy it?
Clio 1.6 16v Dynamique +
Clio 1.6 16v Dynamique +
Here it is.
rctempire
ClioSport Moderator
Looks pretty prefect. I spy Brian!!!
Yup never a truer word spoken than with that comment. everyone on here wants something for nothing
That is soooo true and it's because we are members of a club, and alot of people expect sellers to sell them cheap to club members. This is why if I ever decided to sell my Clio (which I can't see happening), I would not sell it on here as I would not get what it is worth for it. I'd put it on Autotrader, not only would I get what it's worth, but it would sell prtetty quickly too. It's a shame as alot of members would love to see their cars staying in the club, but realistically this is becoming harder and harder.
So true and you speak sense (unlike some idiots in this thread)! And the way people go on about 'oh it would be great to keep my car in the club'. It's a Clio not a bl**dy Jaguar D-Type!!! I couldn't care less if the new owner of my car was on this website.
LOL @ Roy's comment about the paint - so true!
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