Thinking of trading in R27 for new Clio 200 cup.... opinions?

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Current car...

Still love the R27 but its got nearly 20k miles on the clock.... I havnt spent a penny on it in 2 years apart from one service... but coming up I have a service when I will probably need 4 new brembo four pot discs and pads, four new tyres and the service charge..... all that isnt going to leave much change out of a couple of grand.
I paid 15k for the R27 new(got a great deal) and the delearship will take it off my hand for 10.5k in exchange for a new clio cup 200. Seems like a decent trade in price to me... privately they are going for about a grand more but I really cant be bothered with the hassle.....epecially when whoever I sell it too is going to be trying to knock the price down becasue of impending repairs that need doing... brakes,tryes ect.
So I can get a new clio cup for 17k with everything.... cup pack, black speedlines, recaros, climate control as standard now, carbon interior pack, gt spoiler the lot...... can probably muster another 2k deposit so im looking at about 4k on 0% finance for the next three years..... which is well doable.
Have no complaints with the R27....its been an awesome car and everything I expected and more...... the clio cup feels from the test drive I had to be the same car with more low down grunt due to a new gearbox and more advanced suspension.... steering feels a bit heavier at low speeds which I prefer to the lightness of the r27.

Thinking of going white with black speedlines and trim............ few pics below of the sort of spec im thinking of.
What you all reckon?

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[ForceIndia]

I honestly have no idea why you'd go for the cup. Get a FF, in red, then yes.

 

[B16DOE]

dont do it

 

[Alan]

I'd personally go for something else...going from a 197 to a 200 would seem a bit 'samey' to me, the 200 isn't all its cracked up to be, i hardly noticed much difference over my R27..but then again its horses for courses i guess.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

I'd personally go for something else...going from a 197 to a 200 would seem a bit 'samey' to me, the 200 isn't all its cracked up to be, i hardly noticed much difference over my R27..but then again its horses for courses i guess.

Its more the issue of getting a new car with another 3 year warrenty before I have to start shelling out on repairs for this one..... the 200 is a nicer drive than the R27 imo.... lower down grunt is usefull and definately noticed a difference between the 200 and 197 gearboxes.

I kind of like the idea of it being 'samey' - think the R27 is an amazing car..... imo the best all round hot hatch thats been around for a good few years. There are not that many other options on hot hatches that appeal to me really....im open to suggestions though

 

[Alan]

Yeah i'll you that the 200 does seem more 'usable' and the box is much better too but then again the box in my 3 year old cooper S works feels even better than the 200..

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

dont do it

Why? Would more usefull

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Yeah i'll you that the 200 does seem more 'usable' and the box is much better too but then again the box in my 3 year old cooper S works feels even better than the 200..

Had a cooper s for three years...... brakes/wheels/tyres and seats were shocking for how much it cost... wasnt a patch on the R27 if im honest.... also had alot of problems within warranty - I grant you the JCW is a much better car- the gearbox was lovely too

 

[fUbAr]

500 Abarth.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

500 Abarth.

Love these- but they are not for me.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

I honestly have no idea why you'd go for the cup. Get a FF, in red, then yes.

Why- what do you think is so wrong with the new cup.... im interested to get all opinions good or bad.
This may sound like a rediculous question but whats an FF?

 

[ForceIndia]

Had a cooper s for three years...... brakes/wheels/tyres and seats were shocking for how much it cost... wasnt a patch on the R27 if im honest.... also had alot of problems within warranty - I grant you the JCW is a much better car- the gearbox was lovely too

Horses for courses. All the minis I've been in have been a level above the Clio in terms of build. And if you do have any issues the dealer network is massively superior.

 

[Gally]

Its more the issue of getting a new car with another 3 year warrenty before I have to start shelling out on repairs for this one..... the 200 is a nicer drive than the R27 imo.... lower down grunt is usefull and definately noticed a difference between the 200 and 197 gearboxes.

This seems like a silly statement considering your car will lose 2-3k driving out the showroom.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[ForceIndia]

Indeed, but as the money isn't directly coming out of your account, people don't see this loss as 'real'..

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Horses for courses. All the minis I've been in have been a level above the Clio in terms of build. And if you do have any issues the dealer network is massively superior.

Well I had an oil leak which caused the engine to self destruct on a long journey within a year of ownership....had to go to court before I got it done under warrenty.... mini tried to blame it on a miltek back box that i had fitted- which was frankly rediculous. Got Miltek involved in the end to get it sorted

My local dealership is full of c u n ts im afraid....... was a nice car but im not going to BMW ever again.

 

[Peperami]

From your original post, it seems that 10.5k for your R27 against 17k for a cup isnt great. Some dealers are knocking cups out at a little over 14k with a few options, better to try and see one of these and see what part ex they offer you.

But yes, if you like new cars, and not having to worry, id go for a 200 cup.

 

[Gally]

Indeed, but as the money isn't directly coming out of your account, people don't see this loss as 'real'..

Lol my bank manager would disagree! Like I said in another thread i'm all for buying new cars but surely just opt for an independant warranty and make sure all your bases are covered.

The 27 is a great car.

 

[Alan]

Had a cooper s for three years...... brakes/wheels/tyres and seats were shocking for how much it cost... wasnt a patch on the R27 if im honest.... also had alot of problems within warranty - I grant you the JCW is a much better car- the gearbox was lovely too

Oh aye, what sort of problems did you have?

Sorry for going off topic, pm me if you want.

 

[ForceIndia]

Well I had an oil leak which caused the engine to self destruct on a long journey within a year of ownership....had to go to court before I got it done under warrenty.... mini tried to blame it on a miltek back box that i had fitted- which was frankly rediculous. Got Miltek involved in the end to get it sorted

My local dealership is full of c u n ts im afraid....... was a nice car but im not going to BMW ever again.

Thats not good. It does vary, the garage dad's always used (mini/bmw cheltenham) have always been excellent. The Worcester dealer also been excellent, providing a brand new car when the engine went on his brand new 325 2 years ago.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

This seems like a silly statement considering your car will lose 2-3k driving out the showroom.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Have a look at how much it costs you to run a second hand car over the same period. I dont mind depreciation because I know how much it will cost me each month on the interest free..... and I get a new car which is a nice thing to have.

I have enough funds to pay for the monthly payments.... where i used to get screwed was when I suddenly got a big repair bill on a second hand car at the wrong time of the month... could leave me in money trouble for months.

The depreciation isnt as bad as everyone makes out... you have to trade it off against what a second hand car costs to run and the fact that you are driving a brand spanking new car with all the benefits that gives you.

 

[Nik]

I'd be suprised if you need to replace any discs at 20k to be honest. I've done 26k in my R27, and discs are absolutely fine. I've changed front pads but only because i uprated them for track use.

I wouldnt rush into it, the way I see it you should probably need a set of front pads £120, fit yourself, they are easy, and a service at a decent specialist should be less than £200. Ok tyres are going to cost a bit if you really need to replace all 4, but i'd have thought £700-800 max all in, and not nearly 2k!

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

From your original post, it seems that 10.5k for your R27 against 17k for a cup isnt great. Some dealers are knocking cups out at a little over 14k with a few options, better to try and see one of these and see what part ex they offer you.

But yes, if you like new cars, and not having to worry, id go for a 200 cup.

Yeah that was my next question.... im happy with 10.5k trade in....but it seems people are getting better deals than 17k on a new cup with recaros..... anyone got a new cup... how much did you pay and where from so I can go back to the dealership and push for a better deal.

 

[Gally]

Nah you can't convince me that buying a car at 17k is a good idea to get warranty and peace of mind.

It's worrying you think there is always something going to go wrong with it.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

I'd be suprised if you need to replace any discs at 20k to be honest. I've done 26k in my R27, and discs are absolutely fine. I've changed front pads but only because i uprated them for track use.

I wouldnt rush into it, the way I see it you should probably need a set of front pads £120, fit yourself, they are easy, and a service at a decent specialist should be less than £200. Ok tyres are going to cost a bit if you really need to replace all 4, but i'd have thought £700-800 max all in, and not nearly 2k!

Cheers Nik --- decent advice. Im only going by what most people have got out of their brakes on the 197 forum..... ive driven mine pretty hard.... but I appreciate what your saying- might be worth waiting to see if prices drop.

 

[ForceIndia]

Have a look at how much it costs you to run a second hand car over the same period. I dont mind depreciation because I know how much it will cost me each month on the interest free..... and I get a new car which is a nice thing to have.

I have enough funds to pay for the monthly payments.... where i used to get screwed was when I suddenly got a big repair bill on a second hand car at the wrong time of the month... could leave me in money trouble for months.

The depreciation isnt as bad as everyone makes out... you have to trade it off against what a second hand car costs to run and the fact that you are driving a brand spanking new car with all the benefits that gives you.

Each to their own, but personally I disagree. We're talking about a relatively new car, not a 10 yr old banger. Pop an extended warranty on, and you've very little to worry about. I can't see a reason for changing if you're happy with your current car.

IMO, if one repair could land me in financial trouble, I'd say I couldn't afford the car.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Nah you can't convince me that buying a car at 17k is a good idea to get warranty and peace of mind.

It's worrying you think there is always something going to go wrong with it.

Not soo much that things go wrong.... im talking about basic repairs like new discs, pads, tyres that will need to be done on mine soon.... just think I might be better getting rid for a new one while the car has decent value in it and while I havnt spent a penny on it

 

[ForceIndia]

Nah you can't convince me that buying a car at 17k is a good idea to get warranty and peace of mind.

It's worrying you think there is always something going to go wrong with it.

+1. I'm not sure what could go wrong on a relatively young car that would land me with a £5k+ bill!

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Each to their own, but personally I disagree. We're talking about a relatively new car, not a 10 yr old banger. Pop an extended warranty on, and you've very little to worry about. I can't see a reason for changing if you're happy with your current car.

IMO, if one repair could land me in financial trouble, I'd say I couldn't afford the car.

Kind of right --- I cant afford a massive bill to come in as money is a bit tight each month..... but I could afford a monthly set payment of say 200 pounds for a new car with 3 years of hassle free driving.

 

[Gally]

Lol sorry mate i'm out.

 

[Munson]

TBH if the pads need replacing, it's definitely time for a new car.

Seriously though, since the R27 looks awesome (in a decent colour), and the 200 looks like the front end was penned by a moron, I think I'd stick with the R27.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

+1. I'm not sure what could go wrong on a relatively young car that would land me with a £5k+ bill!

Dont really think you get what im on about

My car is worth 10.5 k to the dealer

In a years time I will have spent between 1-2k on tyres, brakes and discs
In a years time the car will have another 10k miles on it
Probably will only be worth about 9k and will be out of warranty.
So i will have spent 2k and lost 1.5k in depreciation.


Or I give it to Renault plus 180 pounds a month for three years and get a brand new car- then do the same thing in three years time. I paid my finance off in a lump sum within a year on the r27... i know i can do that again. Therefor in a years time I will have a new car with no finance left on it rather than an r27 with 30k miles and no warranty.

Im well aware of the losses you take on a new car ive bought three of them now.... to me its worth it if you can afford to do it.

 

[Gally]

Go for it big guy.

 

[Peperami]

I can see where you're coming from redeyejedi. I think some people on cs are just generally bitter. Been flicking through the forum this morning, and the amount of negative posts across the board is massive!

Id go for it if i was you

 

[rory182]

put aside money each month to cover fuel, insurance, tax, tyres, brakes etc worked out at a monthly cost per month e.g. front tyres last 12000miles doing 1000miles a month = 2 tyres each year = £20 a month

separate car bank account stylee then you'll not get any big surprises. I don't do this but think I probably should.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

I can see where you're coming from redeyejedi. I think some people on cs are just generally bitter. Been flicking through the forum this morning, and the amount of negative posts across the board is massive!

Id go for it if i was you

No its fine- I welcome opinion positive or negative. Just think some people have got it in their heads that buying a new car is just for crazy idiots because"you lose three grand as soon as you drive it out"

Well yes you do.... but you have a brand new car that will be free to drive for three years and will have a good amount of capital left in it to do the same in three years time

You are paying for a new car- in the spec that you want, that is perfect and you know how it has been treated...... I like new cars im afraid and the benefits you get from one.... and im prepared to take the loss on depreciation... its not as bad as everyone makes out.

 

[MrTrick]

Yeh go for it, but i'd go for the FF 200 if you can afford it.

 

[Peperami]

No its fine- I welcome opinion positive or negative. Just think some people have got it in their heads that buying a new car is just for crazy idiots because"you lose three grand as soon as you drive it out"

Well yes you do.... but you have a brand new car that will be free to drive for three years and will have a good amount of capital left in it to do the same in three years time

Im considering the same thing. My bora needs new shocks this week, going to cost me a small fortune. Honda are doing good deals at present and a friend is getting a ctr gt... hmmmm (although id prefer a 200 cup)

 

[Iain C]

keep the 197 unless you love to hemorrhage money for no reason.
Hows it free to drive? you are still raped by reno for servicing and they have you over a barrel unless you want to loose the warrenty.
Ive had 2 new cars, never again TBH
Also the r27 looks so much better than the 200

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

Yeh go for it, but i'd go for the FF 200 if you can afford it.

Whats the ff?

 

[Gorms]

Only read the first page and there are some really funny replies Real stupid inputs from people who clearly have no idea.

I can help you here as i own a 200 and was in the market for a new car about 2 months ago.

I had a number of cars to pick from:

500 Arbarth ss
Mini Cooper s/maybe a works
Clio 200 Cup
Corsa VXR
Punto Arbarth
Fiesta st (new one)
and a couple more

I ended up picking the 200 as it was one of the quickest if not the quickest, the best value for money and everything else was spot on.

There was no negatives apart from the fact it was a renault and the interior was a little plasticy. All the above cars had a lot of negatives. The 500 was a little too girly, the mini is ugly and a weak gearbox from past coopers put me off, the ford is slow and a little too heavy. Cant be arsed to go one but i did go out and test most of the cars and the clio out of all of them was the only one that i got excited about.

Stick to what you know and you wont be dissapointed. I gave a guy in a TVR T350 a little shock last. The 200 is a amazing car for the cash.

Paul