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EVO magazine 184 July RS Clio 200 T versus the rest

Chip-mk1 said:
You clearly haven't driven a 197 if you think a trophy is that amazing tbh.

Its just renault 5 suspension with some Sachs dampers. It works well but the 197 onwards setup is better.

I still prefer the mk2 personally as I just like it being a bit smaller and lighter. But its lunacy to say a mk2 handles much much better than a mk3 onwards. Its just not true at all.
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Having had both of them at the same time, id say that the Trophy handles better, but the 197 gives more grip.
 
Chip-mk1 said:
You clearly haven't driven a 197 if you think a trophy is that amazing tbh.

Its just renault 5 suspension with some Sachs dampers. It works well but the 197 onwards setup is better.

I still prefer the mk2 personally as I just like it being a bit smaller and lighter. But its lunacy to say a mk2 handles much much better than a mk3 onwards. Its just not true at all.
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How well a car handles is obviously directly related to the driving style of the driver and what your used to I suppose. I personally prefer it in this order Mk1>Mk2 PH2>MK2 PH1>MK3. I think the Mk2 Ph2 has better camber than the Mk2 PH1, something defiantly felt different.
 
I love the fact that the other french hot hatch hasn't been mentioned. Peugeot have made a decent motor this time round.
 
Agreed handling is subjective, but the lad put "handles much MUCH better"

That to me sounds like the difference between a very well handling car and a very poor handling car, not just a tiny bit of personal preference between two very well handling cars, hence me calling "trophy blinkers" on him, lol.
 
Actually, I've owned a 182, 182 Trophy, a 197 and a 200 so I can categorically say that the Trophy is the best handling car out of the lot. It's the most fun, the most agile and the most characterful drive I have owned. Well apart from the C63...but I am not going to brag about and go on about owning that on here.

The 197 and 200 are great handling cars: planted, solid and offering loads of confidence for crap drivers with spots and bad fashion sense. But the Trophy rewards and exploits talent. And it is light and far more communicative through the steering wheel and chassis. A great car. In fact I might buy another one, just because I can.
 
Chip-mk1 said:
You clearly haven't driven a 197 if you think a trophy is that amazing tbh.

Its just renault 5 suspension with some Sachs dampers. It works well but the 197 onwards setup is better.

I still prefer the mk2 personally as I just like it being a bit smaller and lighter. But its lunacy to say a mk2 handles much much better than a mk3 onwards. Its just not true at all.
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Actually, I've owned a 182, 182 Trophy, a 197 and a 200 so I can categorically say that the Trophy is the best handling car out of the lot. It's the most fun, the most agile and the most characterful drive I have owned. Well apart from the C63...but I am not going to brag about and go on about owning that on here.

The 197 and 200 are great handling cars: planted, solid and offering loads of confidence for crap drivers with spots and bad fashion sense. But the Trophy rewards and exploits talent. And it is light and far more communicative through the steering wheel and chassis. A great car. In fact I might buy another one, just because I can.
 
Most agile car you have owned apart from a 2 tonne c63? Wow high praise indeed for a hot hatch to be nearly that nimble. Flol.
 
The 182 Cup with aftermarket suspension might have better steering feel than the 197/200 but it's also about eight turns lock to lock and the wheel itself is bigger than the London Eye.

Not exactly RACECAR.
 
Roy Munson said:
The 182 Cup with aftermarket suspension might have better steering feel than the 197/200 but it's also about eight turns lock to lock and the wheel itself is bigger than the London Eye.

Not exactly RACECAR.
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This is true, the difference between how it feels in my turbo ph1 with a smaller aftermarket wheel and the mrs RS2 ph2 with a larger steering wheel is really noticeable, I dont know why renault went to the lorry division for the 172/182 wheel.
 
Read this today on iPad. Paints a pretty poor picture of the Clio.

Ignore the Juke, and the Renault pretty much came last in a hot hatch group test. Crazy.
 
God knows why they reviewed the Juke against the Clio / Fiesta ect.

It's not exactly a 'hot hatch' more a luke warm cross over.
 
Roy Munson said:
Read this today on iPad. Paints a pretty poor picture of the Clio.

Ignore the Juke, and the Renault pretty much came last in a hot hatch group test. Crazy.
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If you want a more grown-up hot hatch, buy a Golf GTI or Astra VXR. Honestly, for cheap revvy thrills the ST is the car to have. Renault have completely fudged this version of their iconic range. And it looks awful. This group test (as well as Top Gear's) verifies this view. People who WANT a new RS should save their money at the moment and opt for a low mileage 200. The last best NA hot hatch produced. The End.
 
WhatCar? have tested the same line up and the ST came out on top although they said the Clio was the fastest there. Really like the fiesta and would have one if I was in the market for another small hot hatch.
 
Just got round to reading the article, very interesting conclusion and the lap times seem questionable...hmmm.

When I sat in the Clio at Geneva the first thing I said was how horrible the paddles feel, and they don't move with the wheel is just silly. The Clio has gained far too much mass at nearly 1300kg! That's more than my Porsche! Out of all 5 I'd have the Mini.

I start work at the Nissan Technical Center in September working is vehicle dynamics, I'll sort that Juke out in a jiffy.
 
RexinaTrophy said:
Actually, I've owned a 182, 182 Trophy, a 197 and a 200 so I can categorically say that the Trophy is the best handling car out of the lot. It's the most fun, the most agile and the most characterful drive I have owned. Well apart from the C63...but I am not going to brag about and go on about owning that on here.

The 197 and 200 are great handling cars: planted, solid and offering loads of confidence for crap drivers with spots and bad fashion sense. But the Trophy rewards and exploits talent. And it is light and far more communicative through the steering wheel and chassis. A great car. In fact I might buy another one, just because I can.
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The stig has spoken by the looks of things.

most of the things you've said there is rubbish


"Just because you can" good for you being able to buy a 4K Clio...
 
gez 172 said:
The stig has spoken by the looks of things.

most of the things you've said there is rubbish


"Just because you can" good for you being able to buy a 4K Clio...
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I have no knowledge of your driving ability, so I won't comment. In the same way I don't know anything about your sexual habits, so I won't presume to call you incestuous. But having owned many RSs, I can categorically say that I prefer the Clio Trophy to the 197/200, and therefore I think it's better as a drivers' car. I think it's better. I couldn't care less about what you, or anyone else thinks).

And the C63 (in response to someone else's intelligent comment), is much more agile than you imagine. And if you haven't driven one in anger, how on earth would you know, moron!?!
 
RexinaTrophy said:
And the C63 (in response to someone else's intelligent comment), is much more agile than you imagine. And if you haven't driven one in anger, how on earth would you know, moron!?!
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If I hadnt been in one driven in anger then yes I wouldnt know, but I have.

And yes i agree, the AMG is in fact FAR more agile than one would expect before driving one, but its still only "agile for a 2 tonne car", not agile for a hot hatch. (and also not as good as the M5 TBH) whatever you say to the contrary, every AMG I have ever driven or even been passenger in has only ever made me think they are amazing tourers rather than agile trackday weapons.
 
this
RexinaTrophy said:
If you want a more grown-up hot hatch, buy a Golf GTI or Astra VXR. Honestly, for cheap revvy thrills the ST is the car to have. Renault have completely fudged this version of their iconic range. And it looks awful. This group test (as well as Top Gear's) verifies this view. People who WANT a new RS should save their money at the moment and opt for a low mileage 200. The last best NA hot hatch produced. The End.
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I can't think of any reason why I would want to change from my current 200 to a newer one. Or infact to a Fiesta ST etc etc.. Anything with the word "eco" in is not a proper hot hatch, just my opinion.

Will stick with my 200, last REAL hot hatch produced IMO.
 
With the clio being turbo'd for the first time though, nobody knows the gains you could potentially get from it..
 
clio rs lookers pcp deal

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[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£18,879[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Customer Deposit[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£1,999[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]48 Monthly Payments[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£279[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Guranteed Future Value
based on 5,000 mpa[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£7,238[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Total Amount Payable[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£22,916[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]APR Representative[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]8.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

fiesta st polar ford deal

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[TR]
[TD]24 monthly payment[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£161.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dealer contribution
towards your deposit[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£250.00[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Cash Price[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£16,395.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Customer deposit[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£3,995.00[/TD]
[/TR]
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[/TR]
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[TD]Interest Charges[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£1,051.72[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]£17,466.72[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Doc & option fee[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£20.00[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]GMFV (Optional Final Payment)[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£9,319.00[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Excess Mileage Charged
(Based on 6000 miles per annum)[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6p[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Borrowing Rate[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.32%[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Representative[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.9% APR[/TD]
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fiesta st such a bargain if u have 4k deposit to put down
 
It's an example. Not the only option. Other mileage choices will be available too obviously. They just show the 5k one as its the cheapest.
 
RexinaTrophy said:
The 197 and 200 are great handling cars: planted, solid and offering loads of confidence for crap drivers with spots and bad fashion sense.
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Bit of a broad brush to be painting with. I decided to buy a 200 out of a lot of other hot hatchbacks and I love the way it handles, it suits my driving style. Does that make me a crap driver with spots (not quite relevant) and bad fashion sense? On the C63 front, in my personal opinion not in the same league for being 'agile'. Fun? Certainly.
 
Similar deposit to the ST on the Clio gets you it for around £204 a month over 24 months. Doesn't help that the Clio costs so much more to start with so the prices are never going to be as good really.
 
Chapppers11 said:
You'd have to have some serious Renault commitment (or be specialton) to pick the 200T over the ST imo.
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So a family man who has an interest in cars but needs/wants a 5 door car with a boot is a 'specialton'?

c**table, your opinion is c**table. TBH.
 
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vecbtb said:
Sorry if it's a repost, interesting lap times on the RS Clio's new and old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPpg3aF2ZdQ

I think we would have all predicted the outcome to be exactly the same. It's a shame they put the Williams on cheap Chinese tyres!
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I do not think a track is a natural environment for the Williams. It was really designed to be good on bumpy French B roads, not smooth tracks. Each subsequent incarnation has moved towards a more rev happy engine with a better top end and being more track focused.

It also depends on the track. The weight advantage the williams hold is only really good on very twisty track.

The newer cars tend to have more grip, which makes them better track cars. The williams has amazing traction, which makes it great at coming out of tight hairpins on tight B roads.
 
coatesy1 said:
clio rs lookers pcp deal

[TABLE="width: 565"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Lookers Cash Price[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£18,879[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Customer Deposit[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£1,999[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]48 Monthly Payments[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£279[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Guranteed Future Value
based on 5,000 mpa[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£7,238[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]Total Amount Payable[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]£22,916[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]APR Representative[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1C1C1"]8.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

fiesta st polar ford deal

[TABLE="class: mb-new-car-finance, width: 276"]
[TR]
[TD]24 monthly payment[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£161.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dealer contribution
towards your deposit[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£250.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cash Price[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£16,395.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Customer deposit[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£3,995.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Amount of Credit[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£12,150.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Interest Charges[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£1,051.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total Amount Payable[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£17,466.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Doc & option fee[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£20.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GMFV (Optional Final Payment)[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]£9,310[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Excess Mileage Charged
(Based on 6000 miles per annum)[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6p[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Borrowing Rate[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.32%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Representative[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.9% APR[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

fiesta st such a bargain if u have 4k deposit to put down
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I'd want a bloody sight more than £7k and change for a 4 year old car with run in mileage that cost that much in the first place. I very very very nearly ordered one of the new Clio RS' s but my spec would cost me £22k, they don't offer it in 'that' blue colour (sorry, I have no idea what it's proper name is), it doesn't have the option of Recaro's or Brembo's, it doesn't have the flared arches or any of the addenda the makes the others that bit more special. I plan to keep my 200 Cup until they get their act together with it then I'll look at them again.

​I mean, FFS, an engine noise simulator. What were they smoking that day?!
 
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