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Hot Hatch Museum.



Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
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Yarp

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182, E46 M3
While we’re on the subject of hot hatches, a mate of mine had this for a while, may still have it tbh.

It was a genuine 400+bhp rally car built just before group b was banned so never made it to a race. Eventually they punted it off to a someone and it lived in a barn for a long time before he eventually got it. Not sure it ever really moved. V5 shows as issued in 22 so he may have moved it on. It also suggests we’re long overdue a pint
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Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?
 

The Psychedelic Socialist

ClioSport Club Member
Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?
I know it's a classic 'no true Scotsman' argument, but IMHO hot hatches have to be fun, practical, compact and affordable.

If you've got no back seats, no boot and/or cost as much as something like an M3, you're more hot-hatch adjacent than a real hot-hatch.
 

R3k1355

ClioSport Club Member
The Renault 5 Turbo was mid-engine RWD, while the Renault 5 GT Turbo is FF.

So one is a hot hatch and the other a homologation special?
 

Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
So the next question what is the recipe for a Hot Hatch.

For me it has to be.

Front engined
Front wheel drive
And cheap to the Everyman can own one.

As someone has said once they are entering the market new above 30k they are into a grey area.

I believe the last Megane Trophy R was nearer 40k maybe even beyond that once spec’d
 

The Psychedelic Socialist

ClioSport Club Member
So the next question what is the recipe for a Hot Hatch.

For me it has to be.

Front engined
Front wheel drive
And cheap to the Everyman can own one.

As someone has said once they are entering the market new above 30k they are into a grey area.

I believe the last Megane Trophy R was nearer 40k maybe even beyond that once spec’d
I'd want to add in the requirement for four seats and 'fun', rather than just 'fast'.

IMHO there's lots of stuff (Golf Clubsport S, R26.R, £75k RS3) that ticks the box of "fast with a hatchback", but not really the spirit of a hot hatch.

I'd be happy with AWD if it's still a decent drive as opposed to a too-much-grip bore fest.
 

gralegav

ClioSport Club Member
  182 Gordini, Fiat
Granddaddy of all french hot hatches, I give you the Peugeot 104ZS, tiny terror from the 70s.
Sold in teaspoonfuls in the UK, mine even had electric windows.
 

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Granddaddy of all french hot hatches, I give you the Peugeot 104ZS, tiny terror from the 70s.
Sold in teaspoonfuls in the UK, mine even had electric windows.
We drove a 104GL over the Pyrenees for a family holiday in Spain in 1978. Really lusted after the 104ZS - one of my first brochures nicked from a showroom. I can't believe nobody has mentioned this or at least I haven't seen it:
 

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NickReilly063

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  182 Trophy Rs265
This needs buying to put in the museum especially if it only makes it’s estimate - 35000 miles and only 2 owners -

I had one new - very noisy on the motorway with the Remus on but that won’t matter if it’s only tuck up in the garage


 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Love reading this.

Wasn’t there a thread recently with a load of people bumming the Fiat Punto HGT and that has not had a mention here. I had a mk1 Punto GT which was not as good as the R5 GTT for handling or tuning but I still loved mine back in the day and wanted to mention it.

A fair few cars mentioned here that don’t fit into the hot hatch category but it’s great to see them and hear about them again nevertheless 👍
 

Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
If I only won the euro millions this could be made a reality.

Would be a Mecca for blokes in their 40s, 50s and 60s to come relive their youth.

Would for sure would have to have an arcade inside with old school racing games.
 

Clio_fool

ClioSport Club Member
Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?
If we're discussing road cars then surely the brief has to be a fast version of your mums shopping car, but for a hot hatch museum a room full of the extreme end of hatchback evolution into motorsprt has to be included imo.

I suppose I should add one of these to the mix too.
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Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
If we're discussing road cars then surely the brief has to be a fast version of your mums shopping car, but for a hot hatch museum a room full of the extreme end of hatchback evolution into motorsprt has to be included imo.

I suppose I should add one of these to the mix too.
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Yeah a section for race car versions of Hot Hatches.
And the extreme versions of the cars.
 

Crybert

ClioSport Club Member
  Cup 172
What’s the best car museum in the uk? The one in Glasgow is a transport museum so barely any cars. I’ve been to the Ferrari and lambo museums in Italy and they were brilliant.
 

Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
Haynes motor Museum and Beaulieu are quite good of the ones I have been to. But there doesn’t seem to be anything around that focuses on one type of Genre of car.

Looking at what sized building you would need and what location you would like to put it in. You would need a fair chunk of money a year to keep it going.

You would need some notable people to get involved to help push it along.
 

Pacman.

ClioSport Club Member
  Did have a R27
I think the only place that would be the right fit for a museum about hot hatches has to be Essex. The home of the boy racer.
 

Poopensharten

ClioSport Club Member
  Golf R
Still remember seeing a Pulsar absolutely crush a Boxter in a race, the noises that thing made were unreal. Circa 20 years ago and i still remember it clearly
 


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