Hot Hatch Museum.

Pacman. · May 21, 2024

Gally · May 21, 2024

Ol’ Tarby said:
One of the best looking hot hatches of it's time IMO.

Eccosse filter, pugsport and decat *chefs kiss*

Couldn't agree more!

Poopensharten · May 21, 2024

Loved my 106 GTi, still remember it surprising me how quick it was, felt as quick to about 60-70 as any of the Clios did🤌🏼

Yarp · May 21, 2024

While we’re on the subject of hot hatches, a mate of mine had this for a while, may still have it tbh.

It was a genuine 400+bhp rally car built just before group b was banned so never made it to a race. Eventually they punted it off to a someone and it lived in a barn for a long time before he eventually got it. Not sure it ever really moved. V5 shows as issued in 22 so he may have moved it on. It also suggests we’re long overdue a pint

Pacman. · May 22, 2024

Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?

The Psychedelic Socialist · May 22, 2024

Pacman. said:
Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?

I know it's a classic 'no true Scotsman' argument, but IMHO hot hatches have to be fun, practical, compact and affordable.

If you've got no back seats, no boot and/or cost as much as something like an M3, you're more hot-hatch adjacent than a real hot-hatch.

R3k1355 · May 22, 2024

The Renault 5 Turbo was mid-engine RWD, while the Renault 5 GT Turbo is FF.

So one is a hot hatch and the other a homologation special?

Pacman. · May 22, 2024

So the next question what is the recipe for a Hot Hatch.

For me it has to be.

Front engined
Front wheel drive
And cheap to the Everyman can own one.

As someone has said once they are entering the market new above 30k they are into a grey area.

I believe the last Megane Trophy R was nearer 40k maybe even beyond that once spec’d

mumpy · May 23, 2024

Probably already been posted but here it is

The Psychedelic Socialist · May 23, 2024

Pacman. said:
So the next question what is the recipe for a Hot Hatch.

For me it has to be.

Front engined
Front wheel drive
And cheap to the Everyman can own one.

As someone has said once they are entering the market new above 30k they are into a grey area.

I believe the last Megane Trophy R was nearer 40k maybe even beyond that once spec’d

I'd want to add in the requirement for four seats and 'fun', rather than just 'fast'.

IMHO there's lots of stuff (Golf Clubsport S, R26.R, £75k RS3) that ticks the box of "fast with a hatchback", but not really the spirit of a hot hatch.

I'd be happy with AWD if it's still a decent drive as opposed to a too-much-grip bore fest.

chazza114 · May 23, 2024

I'm amazed no one has posted a Ph1 172 yet, when it came out it was huge step forward for the hot hatch world in terms of power and spec.

Next up would have to be a 309 GTi, basically a better 205 GTi (although worse looking I will admit).

And finally because I'm a weirdo, I'll include a 9000 Aero which has a hatch back boot so I'm including it...

Sir_Dave · May 23, 2024

I've had more than my fair share of hot hatches, but these are my top 4, sorry, i know it was supposed to be 3, but

:

1. Trophy.

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2. MIni GP1

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3. 106 Gti

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4. 306 Rallye

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massiveCoRbyn · May 23, 2024

mumpy said:
Probably already been posted but here it is

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That's the wrong one though. It's this one you want:

Matt Cup · May 25, 2024

Couple more for the museum.

gralegav · May 25, 2024

Granddaddy of all french hot hatches, I give you the Peugeot 104ZS, tiny terror from the 70s.
Sold in teaspoonfuls in the UK, mine even had electric windows.

ayli carper · May 25, 2024

gralegav said:
Granddaddy of all french hot hatches, I give you the Peugeot 104ZS, tiny terror from the 70s.
Sold in teaspoonfuls in the UK, mine even had electric windows.

We drove a 104GL over the Pyrenees for a family holiday in Spain in 1978. Really lusted after the 104ZS - one of my first brochures nicked from a showroom. I can't believe nobody has mentioned this or at least I haven't seen it:

gralegav · May 25, 2024

Oh Btw, the e-type was technically a hatch.....

R3k1355 · May 25, 2024

This never got much love, despite everyone with a Mk4 platform car wanting parts from it.

Matt Cup · May 25, 2024

R3k1355 said:
This never got much love, despite everyone with a Mk4 platform car wanting parts from it.

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And the splitter ending up being put on EVERY chavs car.

NickReilly063 · May 25, 2024

This needs buying to put in the museum especially if it only makes it’s estimate - 35000 miles and only 2 owners -

I had one new - very noisy on the motorway with the Remus on but that won’t matter if it’s only tuck up in the garage

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16V F7R · May 26, 2024

Love reading this.

Wasn’t there a thread recently with a load of people bumming the Fiat Punto HGT and that has not had a mention here. I had a mk1 Punto GT which was not as good as the R5 GTT for handling or tuning but I still loved mine back in the day and wanted to mention it.

A fair few cars mentioned here that don’t fit into the hot hatch category but it’s great to see them and hear about them again nevertheless 👍

Pacman. · May 26, 2024

If I only won the euro millions this could be made a reality.

Would be a Mecca for blokes in their 40s, 50s and 60s to come relive their youth.

Would for sure would have to have an arcade inside with old school racing games.

NickReilly063 · May 26, 2024

I can still see myself in that Ferrari Testarossa convertible with the girls hair flying about in the wind - Outrun 1986.

Pacman. · May 26, 2024

NickReilly063 said:
I can still see myself in that Ferrari Testarossa convertible with the girls hair flying about in the wind - Outrun 1986.

Or trying to knock someone off their Motorbike with a chain or a leg kick

Clio_fool · May 26, 2024

Pacman. said:
Now this is a controversial opinion but do 6R4s, clio V6, Maxi Turbos, T16s and the VW Golf W12 belong in the Hot hatch Category?

Because now they are technically rear wheel drive mid engined cars?

If we're discussing road cars then surely the brief has to be a fast version of your mums shopping car, but for a hot hatch museum a room full of the extreme end of hatchback evolution into motorsprt has to be included imo.

I suppose I should add one of these to the mix too.

Pacman. · May 26, 2024

Clio_fool said:
If we're discussing road cars then surely the brief has to be a fast version of your mums shopping car, but for a hot hatch museum a room full of the extreme end of hatchback evolution into motorsprt has to be included imo.

I suppose I should add one of these to the mix too.
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Yeah a section for race car versions of Hot Hatches.
And the extreme versions of the cars.

Clio_fool · May 26, 2024

Hot hatches will always be fondly remembered in our motoring history, there are so many car museums on out little island one needs to have a HH wing before good examples are all gone.

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Pacman. · Aug 24, 2024

Johnny Smith and Ben Collins talk about some hot hatches.

Crybert · Aug 24, 2024

What’s the best car museum in the uk? The one in Glasgow is a transport museum so barely any cars. I’ve been to the Ferrari and lambo museums in Italy and they were brilliant.

Pacman. · Aug 24, 2024

Haynes motor Museum and Beaulieu are quite good of the ones I have been to. But there doesn’t seem to be anything around that focuses on one type of Genre of car.

Looking at what sized building you would need and what location you would like to put it in. You would need a fair chunk of money a year to keep it going.

You would need some notable people to get involved to help push it along.

Pacman. · Aug 24, 2024

I think the only place that would be the right fit for a museum about hot hatches has to be Essex. The home of the boy racer.

Richyy182 · Oct 5, 2024

Sir_Dave said:
I've had more than my fair share of hot hatches, but these are my top 4, sorry, i know it was supposed to be 3, but :

1. Trophy.
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2. MIni GP1
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3. 106 Gti
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4. 306 Rallye
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Always loved your motors! The 106 GTi was special

Richyy182 · Oct 5, 2024

I'm going with my hot hatches;

Poopensharten · Oct 6, 2024

Still remember seeing a Pulsar absolutely crush a Boxter in a race, the noises that thing made were unreal. Circa 20 years ago and i still remember it clearly

Richyy182 · Oct 7, 2024

Poopensharten said:
Still remember seeing a Pulsar absolutely crush a Boxter in a race, the noises that thing made were unreal. Circa 20 years ago and i still remember it clearly

Yeah they do make a nice noise!

Poopensharten · Oct 7, 2024

Richyy182 said:
Yeah they do make a nice noise!

Lovely red one for sale up here on ebay, 500hp it is🤯

Clio_fool · Oct 7, 2024

I only took one photo at French day at The Motorist last weekend.

New vid on the late brake show of a barn find one too.

Pacman. · Oct 7, 2024

The more I look at this the more I think it could be done. You wouldn’t necessarily need to buy a lot of cars.

Matt Cup · Oct 7, 2024

Pacman. said:
The more I look at this the more I think it could be done. You wouldn’t necessarily need to buy a lot of cars.

Are you genuinely looking to bring this to fruition?

Not a Diesel!!! · Oct 7, 2024

Pacman. said:
The more I look at this the more I think it could be done. You wouldn’t necessarily need to buy a lot of cars.

People probably let you have to store on there behalf.

Hot Hatch Museum.

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