Nurburgring visit - need help!

Horatio McAllister said:

I had my wits about me, he overtook me and missed my bumper by probably 2” but I was doing probably 100mph and he was moving faster. There was no need, other than that I’ve not had bad experiences. But it was enough of a scare for me not to want to lose a £35k car. It highlighted the risks! Last year was a significantly worse standard of driving and track etiquette than the year prior and I can’t see it getting much better as a consequence. The car parking, the queues to get on, the number of yellow flags.

Like I say, I’d happily send it on a track day there, TF for me anyway is done! I’d just recommend to anyone they go into it with their eyes wide open to the risks. You maybe courteous in your driving on the ring, but that’s not the case for so many people! It doesn’t matter how alert or cautious you are, it doesn’t counter the actions of others with small testes

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Im not saying you’re in the wrong at all mate, I don’t know the circumstances so not lecturing you, just giving my opinions overall.
Glad it was a close call and nothing more for you.

If you go back adjust the days and do a weekday evening (not Friday!) and you’ll enjoy it like you’d never thought you could.

Id like to do a track day there too, probably next year. Standard of driving must be so much better as a result.

Pep said:

Im not saying you’re in the wrong at all mate, I don’t know the circumstances so not lecturing you, just giving my opinions overall.
Glad it was a close call and nothing more for you.

If you go back adjust the days and do a weekday evening (not Friday!) and you’ll enjoy it like you’d never thought you could.

Id like to do a track day there too, probably next year. Standard of driving must be so much better as a result.

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I’ve done both mate, my point still stands. Maybe because I’ve been there a few times (will be back again in a few months). For me the experience of the place is what it’s about. But its success has now blown up to a point it’s not enjoyable just doing a lap. Last year was a joke, some of the shenanigans going on through the town of Adenau are a perfect case in point. Banging the cars off the limiter with rubber dinghy pop n bangs maps! The place is boarding on being ruined by the morons who visit it! It’s such a shame as it’s such a wonderful part of the world, that I dearly love!

Horatio McAllister said:

I’ve done both mate, my point still stands. Maybe because I’ve been there a few times (will be back again in a few months). For me the experience of the place is what it’s about. But its success has now blown up to a point it’s not enjoyable just doing a lap. Last year was a joke, some of the shenanigans going on through the town of Adenau are a perfect case in point. Banging the cars off the limiter with rubber dinghy pop n bangs maps! The place is boarding on being ruined by the morons who visit it! It’s such a shame as it’s such a wonderful part of the world, that I dearly love!

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The police are cracking down on the road based twattery which is good, I’ve seen cars being seized which will hopefully help a bit. Horrible to see as it’s all UK cars being dickheads, no wonder we’re hated.

Frustrates and embarrasses me, but other people won’t ruin how much I enjoy it personally.

Hi afternoon said:

Been there a few times, thanks.
But each to their own

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Oh.

Sorry. If you’ve been a few times, I’m surprised you think bumbling around the track in a 175bhp, road focused 20 year old hatch, is the same as being driven around in a 500bhp+ race car.

But each to their own. Thanks.

Pep said:

The police are cracking down on the road based twattery which is good, I’ve seen cars being seized which will hopefully help a bit. Horrible to see as it’s all UK cars being dickheads, no wonder we’re hated.

Frustrates and embarrasses me, but other people won’t ruin how much I enjoy it personally.

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Sadly spot on.

Every dickhead we saw over there was UK plated.

Sat having dinner and a few beers outside. Then “pop bang pop bang” and some English plated VAG scum fly though the town centre way too fast. Embarrassing.

Cub. said:

Oh.

Sorry. If you’ve been a few times, I’m surprised you think bumbling around the track in a 175bhp, road focused 20 year old hatch, is the same as being driven around in a 500bhp+ race car.

But each to their own. Thanks.

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Rewind here, I was clearly comparing the cost of both. It’s probably a similar cost to buy a Clio, drive it, and sell it for the same price as 2 laps in a GT3. Was I comparing the out and out experience between lapping each? Nope.

But yeah cheers for your amazing insight.

You on your blob mate?

Ring taxi defo worth the money. I went out in the apex m3 a few years ago, forget the drivers name but he could really fcuking pedal and we overtook everything.

Also went out passenger with Marv in the old ringkangoo for a few laps back to back. Really committed and quick, that was a hell of an experience.

TF days are mad over there now. The financial risk is massive if it goes wrong, whether its your fault or somebody elses. Its all good until its not good, when i overcooked it and ended up in the barrier i got off very lightly. Ten year anniversary of that coming up soon.

Hi afternoon said:

Rewind here, I was clearly comparing the cost of both. It’s probably a similar cost to buy a Clio, drive it, and sell it for the same price as 2 laps in a GT3. Was I comparing the out and out experience between each? Nope.

But yeah cheers for your amazing insight.

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Hence my comment. You know the price of everything, but the value of nothing 🤷🏼‍♂️

To say “was I comparing the experience” is a bit weird. Because you basically were. You can’t just compare things on price / cost without comparing them at the same time with the experience or value they give as a result of that price.

You don't have to get uppity because I’m disagreeing with you.

Cub. said:

Hence my comment. You know the price of everything, but the value of nothing 🤷🏼‍♂️

To say “was I comparing the experience” is a bit weird. Because you basically were. You can’t just compare things on price / cost without comparing them at the same time with the experience or value they give as a result of that price.

You don't have to get uppity because I’m disagreeing with you.

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okay if you want to compare “experience”.

It wasn’t an out an out comparison between a 7 minute lap time in a 911 and a 10 minute lap time in a 182.

It was a comparison between 2x 7 minute laps in a 911, and hooning a French hot hatch around a race track for a weekend.

Personally had some of the best weekends of my life taking my Clio to the ring and back.
Would I change that for 15 mins in a 911? Not a chance.

Hi afternoon said:

okay if you want to compare “experience”.

It wasn’t an out an out comparison between a 7 minute lap time in a 911 and a 10 minute lap time in a 182.

It was a comparison between 2x 7 minute laps in a 911, and hooning a French hot hatch around a race track for a weekend.

Personally had some of the best weekends of my life taking my Clio to the ring and back.
Would I change that for 15 mins in a 911? Not a chance.

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That’s fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their view.

I disagree with it, but it doesn’t mean I’m right and you’re wrong.

Flob said:

You on your blob mate?

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He’s still upset that he isn’t getting free car part storage anymore 👀

I've been a few times, but not done many laps as a driver. A friend of mine rented a Clio some years ago and we split the cost between 3/4 of us so we got a few laps each. I'm glad I did it but, once I ticked the box, I have never felt particularly inclined to drive again. Given the risks of TF, if I wanted to drive, I'd rather spend the money on track days in the UK in a way.

That said, I still really enjoy going there. The atmosphere is great, so even just walking around the parking is fun, as there are always good cars there, and obviously there are loads of iconic spots to watch from. You've also got the museum, a few nice restaurants, and obviously the scenery is nice too.

Would 100% recommend doing some kind of taxi lap. I know a few people that won't do it because they think it's too expensive but, honestly, it's the best part of going in my view. Sure, it's great driving a circuit yourself, but there's nothing like experiencing it with someone that really knows the place. As others have said, just split the cost with a few mates and go in a four-seater car and it's not too bad at all.

Cub. said:

Yes, but you aren’t paying to be in a “GT3”. You’re paying to be driven around one of, if not the, worlds most challenging race circuits by a professional, in a GT3.

Unless you’ve been there and seen them in action, I don’t think you can really comment. They absolutely fly.

If you think you pottering around in a wheezy old French hatchback, comes anywhere close, you’re the kind of person who thinks 10 nights of shagging Katie Price is the same as one night with Margot Robbie.

Basically, knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. X

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I remember getting absolutely f**king roasted for saying exactly this 👀

Go do ring taxi laps at the Ring then pop over to Spa to do laps in your own car.

Cub. said:

Yes, but you aren’t paying to be in a “GT3”. You’re paying to be driven around one of, if not the, worlds most challenging race circuits by a professional, in a GT3.

Unless you’ve been there and seen them in action, I don’t think you can really comment. They absolutely fly.

If you think you pottering around in a wheezy old French hatchback, comes anywhere close, you’re the kind of person who thinks 10 nights of shagging Katie Price is the same as one night with Margot Robbie.

Basically, knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. X

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Bet Katie Price is proper filthy though