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Cant be bothered. Renault lied. Spec is bull sh*t. Mk2 172s are better, I wish I had aircon. PS I really miss the under passenger seat storage compartment. Ben R you are right.

Each to ones own, I am suprised....968 Club Sport, Elises, Integra R (new race versions), 106 Rallye, 306 Rallye, Evo RS, all road cars but all a bit special. New V6 Cup good idea, maybe it will happen!!

Ben, yeah the evos make more power but the Cups make more power, I have been told by many a tuning company that the Cups make a fair bit more than the std 172s. You know this yourself. If a Cup and a 172 did the same journey do you think the guy in the 172 would get out and go, christ, feel...

Ben R. Of course it is still a soft road car, but to me paying more money for a slower car is ludicirous, the MK2 172 made dyanmic improvments over the MK1 but the MK1s would leave them for dead. Look at the current crop of hot hatches, the Cup is a breath of fresh air from the old school...

I am not saying that 172 MK2 owners are unhappy, I am saying that the Cup offers a more performance variant of an already good car. Its like the RS Evos for example. To say that the Cup is a track day car is a little far streched it cops perfectly well with daily commutes and long journeys, I...

Sometimes I wonder, why ever magazine, every programme, every member on the is forum who has a Cup who says how good they are could be wrong. I am sorry Ben but to start to question the stats and spec for a car you must have a screw loose. PS Did you question the fact that your MK2 172 was...

Dont understand where you are coming from, I think the trouble here is that so many people use there cars for different uses. The cup is an uncompromised, cheap performace car. It s purpose was to allow Renault to rally it, for people to be able to buy a car capable of serious pace. Look back...

Simple calculation gives the differences from 195 45 16 to 204 40 17 195 45 16= 22.9 inch diamter 205 40 17 = 23.5 inch diamter Therefore the speed reads 2.4% too slow. When you are doing 60 you are actually travelling at 61.4 mph. Couple this with the increase in unsprung weight, maybe...

The tyres are evidently bespoke to the Cup, harder compound tyre wall. The suspension runs more caster angle in comparison to the normal 172, the springs rates are different to the normal 172. Lets be honest Renault lied about the weight of the mk2 172, they often got questioned in the press...

Does it handle?

You none Cup MK2s are gonna have a fair bit of trouble dealing with the MK1s, they are nearly just as fast as a stnd Cup, I should know I had one, the old Evo roadtest shows that through the gears they are just as fast, gon on Mk1 lads.

The simple fact is that Renault put a fair bit of moeny into the development of the Cup, it isnt a 172 with bit and bobs missing, the Cup has different suspesnion, wheels and tyres, not to mention the "stuff thats missing", after market tuners have made no effort to differeniate between the Cup...

Yeah what type mate, give me the Wheel you want piccy or type and Ill do you a proper one. Tim

Will do mate

Going into dealer prob Tuesaday so I ll get back to you all, I had the same thought to do with the exhaust heat shield, anyway I ll see what they say, got the noise at the front on full lock also, so theres a couple of jobs that need to be done, Cheers, Tim

Couldnt help myself Tim

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Cant beleive this but when I am pressing on in my Cup and I mean pressing on it sounds like I am getting the rear wheels to rub against the arches, the car is standard for fugs sake, Left hander right back rubs and vice versa, has anybody else had this problem!! Its madness....

Take out your aircon, done

9.3 @ 76.7 mph, Cup R Sport ECU AO48r

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Dad got new Renault price range today at work, you can now get a Cup with Aircon, £700 more, not that i would have had it but, shame for those who would. Tim O

Cheers for the advice guys Ill probably order some!! Performance over looks anyday, just want to slightly sharpen an already awesome piece of kit.

cheers mate

My cup would eat a CTR up the strip, end of...

If there are any of you out there, who use them, could you tell me what you think and any phots if poss, thanks Tim O

Take your 17s off and be open minded itlll make a big difference

Cheers TimO

I had optimax and a can with me, just in case!!

I beet the v6 in the cup on time that is mint, and qualified 40th, Tim O