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Exactly! They are quite good cars and are great fun to drive but they get ruined by idiots trying to turn them into the Starship Enterprise.

You are right but it will still be a cheap commute (24 miles at 30mpg ain't gonna break the bank) and the car should be fine. A push bike would be better though!

Are you suggesting most cars wouldn't understeer in this situation?

But 24 miles per week commuting isn't gonna cost much, which is what he obviously means.

It sounds like you are no better than the guy in the VTS.

You said "Course its special, its faster than most cars on the road, its an awsome little car!" A Gallardo is faster than most cars on the road. Okay, there might be one zillion 1.3 Ladas in the Eastern Block that it's faster than but that's not what you meant. And my tractor will happily show...

Very.

I bet you wouldn't walk away from driving the VXR thinking the suspension was too soggy though. It may be a tad softer than the 197's but that's only noticed when the car is at the edge, being driven at it's maximum capabilities. 90% of people will never take the car to it's full potential and...

I wasn't.

Thats great, well done. And this is worthwhile isn't it...

Do you take your cars on the track and drive them at their full potential? I'd be willing to bet your times in both cars would be alomst identical on a track.

Naw. It would appear it's you that is bringing the Cup into topic on other threads.

I can't wait!!! The Cup should have had it's own circus show.

That's exactly the issue, people think this and it all goes tits up! And it's really not.

Naw.

Yup, no respekt, innit bruv?! Should really be banned that kind of chav s**t!

They are too slow! If you are going for it, you can't go wrong with a Clio in terms of performace v cost.

Winner of worst advice category.

Buy something worthwhile insurance wise

And the lack of 2 wheels!

That's compared to a good F1 driver. You can increase your ability, one of which ways is through experience. You have a limiting belief.

With experience come ability... So, if what I'm saying is common sense and is right, then a performance biker of sorts will be better overall. Anyway, this is off topic! I prefer the bike over the car.

You certainly could but the bike is still very extreme compared to most bikes. In driving terms, they are both pretty extreme vehicles, imo.

I still think Rossi on the bike would gap Schumacher to a larger degree than in the cars.

You've obviously never been on a GSXR1000...

Love both the vehicles here. The Desmo is spectacular! It's always good seeing the difference on the track between bikes and cars. For me, the biker has the tougher job; I reckon most performance bikers could handle the car very well but not so much the car driver on the bike. For...

Mine do it all the damn time!

Yeah, these people have enough cash to buy real leather.

Should be close...

Dry them. Cup talk please...