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Mr 172Cup you need to lighten up dood... I am negative towards the cup, yep.. because I fail to see what it is that makes you want to go and buy a downmarket version of anything for more money than the better product.. simple really... and, if someone somehow thinks that the cup is...

apart from that lol

give it a good spray all over.. and please remember - all who use these types of filters .. the filter medium IS THE SPRAY or OIL, not the element.. the element only holds the fluid.. the fluid does the filtering. Joe.

yep, but the boost isnt there on idle.. So, that wont be a concern.. Alex, Forged 8.5:1 pistons (Custom) are going into the unit, along with the f4r turbo crank.. std rods, and a completely fdifferent inlet manifod and exhaust (Again from the f4r turbo Aventime / Vel Satis unit. Joe.

no way m8.. it is not cost effective at all. Joe..

Hi Petes, where do you get the impression that the 172 is troubled by torque steer ??? it isnt ... well, comparatively for a fwd car.. it is bloody excellent in the lack of torque steer .. Joe.. great comparison too !.. cheers

Mr Cupsize.. so, your definition of a daddy of something is a said in a mag.. hmmmmm.. ok... m8, but, its not the gun, its the gunner lol and sandys,, sorry if you get protective about the fiat... but, it really is still a fiat.. Joe.

oooooops 1965... I am old lol, but not THAT old.......

mine was a 1865 C reg Mini 850.. bought in 1975... Joe...

apart from that lol

no way m8.. it is not cost effective at all. Joe..

Hi Petes, where do you get the impression that the 172 is troubled by torque steer ??? it isnt ... well, comparatively for a fwd car.. it is bloody excellent in the lack of torque steer .. Joe.. great comparison too !.. cheers

But..... dooooooooooood it will STILL be a errrrrrrr FIAT ... do you still wear falred jeans ??? I mean.. cmon..... lmao Joe...

m8, a petition is old hat... ring the MD of the garage... not the slaes manager.. tell him that the internal investigation is great, but the custome still needs the vehicle whilst they sort out their inneficiencies... meanwhile, you are starting a civil action for recovery of depreciation...

most of the timer software packs are at the flywheel... work out a 172 at 2600 Lbs, and 172 bhp think ya will find about 14.4 - 14.6 and we know that is certainly possible... Joe.

Hi M8.. theCaptain@Captainslarty.com no probs.

lets face it.. the marketing guys n gals have worked a flanker and released a lower priced version of the 172 by raping it and then extoling the virtues of such raping in their advertising blurb.. given the following choice... which would you buy ??? a 172 from the eu.. full spec...

wooooooooooh... who SAYS the poor mans 172 (aka Cup) handles better than a 172 ??... thats the first question... aome of you guys make me chuckle sometimes.. ya cant wait to change anything unboltable asap... yet.. when a cheapo model comes along .. ya want to change to model the...

But..... dooooooooooood it will STILL be a errrrrrrr FIAT ... do you still wear falred jeans ??? I mean.. cmon..... lmao Joe...

m8, a petition is old hat... ring the MD of the garage... not the slaes manager.. tell him that the internal investigation is great, but the custome still needs the vehicle whilst they sort out their inneficiencies... meanwhile, you are starting a civil action for recovery of depreciation...

roflmao Dash.. hee hee hee hee... she would slap ya !!! Joe...

lol Joe...

most of the timer software packs are at the flywheel... work out a 172 at 2600 Lbs, and 172 bhp think ya will find about 14.4 - 14.6 and we know that is certainly possible... Joe.

yep, but I would rather die knowing my abs at least tried, rather than worry about cadence braking and the large truck / tree / or large thing... lol... abs costs money, saves lives, but doesnt fit with the saxo price bracket... unfortunately... a modern car WITHOUT abs.. ...

I think the cup is purely a cheap option, nothing more... a downgraded, downmarket 172 for people who cant afford the real thing Joe

Hi M8.. theCaptain@Captainslarty.com no probs.

lets face it.. the marketing guys n gals have worked a flanker and released a lower priced version of the 172 by raping it and then extoling the virtues of such raping in their advertising blurb.. given the following choice... which would you buy ??? a 172 from the eu.. full spec...

wooooooooooh... who SAYS the poor mans 172 (aka Cup) handles better than a 172 ??... thats the first question... aome of you guys make me chuckle sometimes.. ya cant wait to change anything unboltable asap... yet.. when a cheapo model comes along .. ya want to change to model the...

roflmao Dash.. hee hee hee hee... she would slap ya !!! Joe...

lol Joe...