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Im torn between the 2,i think racing is great and artic is classy With the dark alloys and a cup badge, the racing might pip it wot u think??:) ian

I have had lots of experience of racing ctrs,a local lad and myself have had numerous blasts along D/Cs and motorways from standing start to flat out 140+ runs The cars are near identical and it was only after 100mph that the ctr gets its legs,before then it was even all the way in my mk2 172...

Thankyou ian

me too:( ian <<<<<<<< [Edited by ian 172 on 09 December 2004 at 1:22pm]

Aswell as the lovely inferno on the 182 cup as we have all seen in past weeks in various mags.Do they do the 182 cup in artic blue Cheers,ian

Its actually a richer colour than you think in the flesh(racing) But something tells me artic is best ian [Edited by ian 172 on 09 December 2004 at 1:14pm]

Looks really good,that monaro is very tail happy ian

Mines always delivered mint too and the way the mag is put together puts the rest to shame,The photography in top gear is cack and looks like they have hired a bunch of students to do it Mind you that does sound a bit like the BBC ian

Which is good press as far as im concerned It will give the doubters who say mags are in everyones pockets,less to talk about ian

You can get a quality garage down the road to do it...Its EU law now for top dealers to let small businesses take work as long as renault parts are used ian

I still have my head in the sand about these skoda/seats and i know there good cars now,but they loose a bit to much still on residuals.The LCR looks really good though At least in the company it had the clio did good and i was well impressed with it beating the scooby...I remember evo a cople...

The basic ctr is 17.5k and the cup was 13800 Not enough of a saving to warrant spending nearly 4k on a car thats the same speed and ability I have to agree with mitchy though the lcr is a nice car and for a few quid has very exploitable power,its just a shame its a seat...would of been nice...

You just cant beat a bargain,and rich i must say once the astra is 3 months old it will be £13,800 going by vauxhalls residuals...plus whats this big beefy astra going to weigh When cars are small its all about weight and a good balance of power,you cant just throw 240 bhp in a car and expect...

Somebody wrote in and said this to the mag,it turns out they picked the 2 cars to test because they were so close but couldnt include the raw CS car as there was only 200 built and it didnt seem fair to offer a car as car of the year that knowbody could drive or even see in there lifetime ian

sorry to hear that Hope you get top book for it and get another ian

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=126585&PagePosition=1http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=126585&PagePosition=1 its here ian

I just sold my 172 for 8k last week....april 02 mk2 There just seems to be a glut of them lying around and the fact that its christmas makes it even harder to sell ian

Yeh i wish the ctr was in there too to lay it to rest but i was verry happy at it beating the subaru round a track so much for 4wd...lol ian

lap time was 51.4 ian

Anyway it kicks everything elses ass ian

Against all else for 20k Bmw 120d,citroen C2 vts,fiesta ST150,mazda mx-5,cooper S,subaruWRX, and the new golf GTI It beets them all and they loved the car(inferno)They said"the renault wins hands down and goodnight".......On the track it was the quickest too(curborough circuit)and beat the...

I reckon high 13s ian

Not having a cat on your car is illegal and if the cops find you havent got one they are entitled to fine you and/or take you to court It happened to my mate and he got done by one of those roadside emisions tests,unlucky or what ian

ianhalf way down the page...

a seriously under-rated car hope you enjoy,they look good...maybe in a couple of years when there 3.5 k ill have one as a second car....no disrespect ,but they will dive and will be open to anyone with a cheap budget ian

get a willy if you dont have the initial outlay if you have the outlay get a 182 with bits,cos it kicks ass both great cars but ten years apart,if you know what i mean ian

hot water works too ian

around £600-800 ian

Ive just e-mailed them with some of the questions that have been raised here so i will let you know if i hear back ian

Does the lad come with the fairy dust as standard to make the 200 bhp he claims ian