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Teady - Yeah, 15.08 is a really good time for a MK2 172 from what Ive seen. Less than a 1/10th seconds off the best Ive seen a Cup manage. Sound like you have one of the "good" ones! Lucky git.

Rob - I think people mean slow in relation to other 172s or slow compared to how they should be. Still ran a couple of 15.6s in my "slow" 172 at York last year, still had 140 odd top speed and still hit 60 in about 7.2 seconds.....just should be a bit quicker for what it is supposed to be...

Ive had three Clios now, a 1.4 16v, a 172 and a Willy.....all three bang like a b*****d under heavy acceleration. Ive given up worrying about it!

Mike - sold it because I needed the money at the time. Still regret it from time to time, but I reckon the Willy is faster (with the de-cat) so getting over it now. I actually stripped out the interior and lowered it and it was great fun and I loved it to bits, but it didnt have 172bhp!!! Rhys

I ran mine in carefully and it wasnt earth shatteringly quick. It got 136bhp on the same day as Paddy got 152bhp in his MK2 and he thrashed his from day one. If the transmission loss is around 15%, then that means mine was actually a Clio 156 and Paddys was a Clio 174. Quite a difference!

MK2 172 vs Willy 2. http://www.rhys172.ish.biz/172vsWilly2_3.wmvhttp://www.rhys172.ish.biz/172vsWilly2_3.wmv Willy had adams_16v Craig (if I remember right) as the passenger who was filming.... Rhys

Paddy - I think theyll give you a calculated flywheel figure at John Nobles which they didnt do at RE....provided you get 172bhp or over at the fly youll know youve got a goodun (although we know that regardless of what BHP youve got I suppose!) Rhys

Paddy - have a look at those DV2 things on e-bay. Not full blown digital camcorders, but good enough for this sort of thing and much cheaper. (Just type DV2 into the ebay search thing). Rhys

Yeah, damn those 16vers!

Lower or realistic? ;)

Got any power figures? Especially for the Cup and the 172?

My Williams will hit 60mph in 7 seconds dead, and Im pretty much even with Craggys VTS on the flat until 90/100. Conclusion has to be that the VTS can hit 60 in about the same time as the Willy and that time is around about 7 seconds... However, I must say that I did seem to have a noticable...

Fanbelt? They squeak like a b*****d when they go....especially at low speeds and seemingly in damp weather. Probably wrong though.

Carlos - Hillpower chip to sort out the rev limiter, maybe? Im going to have a go with Craggys Hill Power chip tomorrow hopefully.... :)

lol! Yeah, might have been. I work at the Dixons place on the Parkway. Hope I didnt do anything too silly....was probably running late again! Rhys

http://www.rhys172.ish.biz/VTS_vs_12.5_sec_skyline.mpghttp://www.rhys172.ish.biz/VTS_vs_12.5_sec_skyline.mpg Craggy vs. Skyline!

Renwill - please tell me Ive misunderstood your post - the difference between Willy & VTS is not the same as the difference between a Cossie and a Micra. Please!!! If you really think that you are dreaming!

Nope, theres a picture of it and it is just a straight through pipe.

Will do. Thanks. Rhys

Wasnt really pushing it as far as sliding to be honest. Just had a bit of a whoopsie where I put my foot down too early when going round a corner as I had slowed too much before it. The Williams just seems totally balanced when going round corners. Doesnt understeer and doesnt oversteer...

I know the roads we were on very well and (touching a gigantic piece of wood) have never crashed a car in 9 years of driving. Famous last words....bet Ill write the Willy off as soon as I next get behind the wheel now Ive said that!!!

Oi! I only lost it a little bit and just the one time. The car just squirmed around a little bit. I wasnt the one who made my entrance into Hathersage sideways ;). Just wish the Williams had better headlights and I was having to slow to a crawl for corners. Think the most I left the VTS by was...

Anyone know if the ECU in my Willy 3 is the same as can be found in a Willy 2? Could I put the chip from a 2 into a 3? Ta, Rhys

RPM - what do you mean? Was it down a big feckoff hill or something?

My verdict after a few timings is 13.89 seconds to 100mph. That is absolutely amazing!

Double feck! Under 6 seconds to 100 kmph. Bloody hell, RPM, what have you done to that car? Rhys

Feck! 14 seconds for the 172?!?!?! Is my stopwatch broken?!

teady - nope, file didnt work. Will try again.

The Mini sounds fine. If a whining engine means 0-100 in 15.8 seconds (by my timing), Im all for it! Rhys

I had an R reg Corsa 1.2 for a few months. Timed 0-60 on a stopwatch at 17.8 seconds! You should MURDER them in a 1.2 16v! The owners manual said it had a whopping 33bhp...