1.4 Vs DCI

[C.slicker]

Replacing my car (a 1.2) and I am considering the above.

I really need to get out and have a test drive in the 1.4 and DCI models but in the meantime was wondering what your thoughts on each were and which one you would choose.

I do a fair few motorway miles, MPG reasonably important, like to drive it quite hard and have a budget of 3.5k. Insurance is also a key issue as I am only 17.

Advice or experiences would be much appreciated.

Cheers guys

 

[edde]

DCi all the way personaly.

But with £3.5k humm not sure I think the diesel would still win but both would have a fair old milage for that price.

I like the 1.4 but I do a fair old milage and with the price of fuel and the way I drive it would costs me a load extra. Plus since the dci are often cheaper to insure it helps.

 

[C.slicker]

Which DCI do you have?

How does the performance compare to that of 1.2s and 1.4s?

Insurance is similar, only 50 quid difference.

Is the handling affected by the extra weight of the diesel lump?

Sam

 

[peggy]

i have a 1.4 its not fast by alll means but its nippy enough as for 1.2's ive drove my mates and it is quite slower accelerating in my opinion

 

[edde]

Which DCI do you have?

How does the performance compare to that of 1.2s and 1.4s?

Insurance is similar, only 50 quid difference.

Is the handling affected by the extra weight of the diesel lump?

Extra dci weight is neglectable. They have thicker ARB and stiffer setsups to help I prefere the dci for handling each to there own though 1.2/1.4/1.6 have there advantages.

I've got the 65hp model.

Performance wise the 1.2 is quicker not by much. Then again at at old airfiled meet I drag raced a 1.4 16V with an exhaust and there was very little in it we tried a few times only a car or two legnth by 80 or so.

Its in gear stick your foot down and it feels quicker than you think it would be due to the way power is delivered.
dci's have £50 road fund so that a good saving plus next year its free to get into London no congestion charges for them as there low emmisions.

If you want to see what one can do this is mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sOpmVnUtfQ

Thats stock OK its not quick but give the video a bit shows you how quick it could go round. Give it about a minute before it gets going. As you can see the weight doesn't matter.

 

[C.slicker]

How easy is it to tune the 65hp engine?

I have seen a few things on eBay which claim an increase to about 80hp for 140-200 quid. Dragon performance or something like that?

What sort of MPG do you get Edde?

 

[edde]

How easy is it to tune the 65hp engine?

I have seen a few things on eBay which claim an increase to about 80hp for 140-200 quid. Dragon performance or something like that?

What sort of MPG do you get Edde?

Not to difficult to tune as you said boxes will get 80hp or so.
Personaly buy the one with the higher HP though as if you break the engine by these tunning boxes (most just stupidly up the common rail lines hughly) then repairs are expensive new injectors plus fitting are £350 or so each and there 4 plus the high pressue pumps are £400 or so.

MPG wise err I'm a bit abusive 52 or so but then again I also get less than 10k to a set of tyres. It will do 65mph easy though I've seen 85mpg when I went careful for a bit. Even flat out its very good 110mph (in Germany) and its still doing 37mpg on track days you'll just creap under 30mpg and on road the lowest you could safely do is about 37mpg and thats abusly canning it on road.
MPG wise its about 50% less fuel than a 1.2/1.4 would burn. ie my costs are about 60%.

 

[C.slicker]

Ok, well I think you read my thread about my current 1.2 getting about 25-28 mpg so yours sounds like a massive improvement.

So you don't think there is much difference between the 65/80 DCi and the 1.2?

Thanks mate

Sam

 

[edde]

So you don't think there is much difference between the 65/80 DCi and the 1.2?

It depends the 80 you can tell has the extra power over the 65 and the intercoolers nice to have keeping intake temps down as there about 120 degrees stock on the 65.

The power delivery on the dci's is so different than the petrosl you need to drive them all to tell plus milage etc makes a big difference drive my car against a new 80hp one and mine feels so different power seems more level and doesn't seem any real slower.

Best of driving them all and seeing what you like.

 

[C.slicker]

I think I will do that.

Hopefully Renault have a few in, although I will bet my bottom dollar they will be tossers and will think I am messing about (being only 17).

Oh well, worth a try.

Thanks for your help mate.

P.S. don't suppose you managed to look up those faults at work, from the thread the other day?

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Where the fook did my post go????

Basically.

The DCI is the best Clio. (Cliosport is separate).

I have the DCI80 and in 2nd through to the end of 3rd, it's right up the arse of the 1.6 16v clio.... Not bad considering it's 30hp down.... Then as you go into 4th the 1.6 continues in 3rd and pulls away. If you're into tuning a dog, then I'm sure it would paste the 1.6 in everyway at 100-110hp.

Either way, economy is another thing, I went on a money saver last month, and managed 80mpg on the way to work, and 70 on the way back (traffic). Crazy.... But I got bored of that, and now it sits at a happy 55mpg. That's a combination of motorway, town and country.

At 45mph in 5th, it gets over 80mpg average.
At 117mph(GPS top speed) it gets a constant 35mpg.
At a steady 80mph it will return 50mpg
At a steady 70 it will get upward of 60mpg.
Doing half a mile in 5 minutes, and just revving trying to make the fuel consumption go down..... 25mpg....

BTW I have a S/S exhaust on my car, not loud or even obvious that it's a mod, but it does help the MPG.

Basically, the 1.4 is slower than the DCI 80 apart from off the line considering 2nd gear in the DCI hits 45mph.

It's more economic, it's nicer to drive around. It's not dangerous to overtake like it is in a 1.2. Don't get me wrong, it's no 911 GT2. But if you're in 50mph traffic on a B road, you can brisk through it in 4th gear with no trouble.

The only thing it comes down to for you is cost.

I am planning to list mine at £5.2k next month, 33k miles with it's 36k mile service done. 2004 plate. Good condition all round... The laser jammer fitted is optional... If the buyer doesn't want it, then I'll take £100 off the price.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

So you don't think there is much difference between the 65/80 DCi and the 1.2?

....The 80 is much faster than a 1.2. It's quite faster than a 1.4. 65.. As edde says, more torque, so obviously more grunt, just doesn't put in as much effort accelerating. It will still be faster than a 1.2 after 30mph though.

Plus, a £400 remap on either of the diesels will give you 20hp no problemo. Do that to the 80 and it'll wipe it's dirty diesel arse with any 1.6 you point it at (bar things like VTS/106GTI etc)

Mine is faster than a 1.6 astra in every situation above 30mph. It keeps pace with the 110bhp VAGs until the higher end in which 1500cc really just doesn't cut it.

On my leisurely drive home from Rye last summer, a 1.2 was in my way. I passed it with ease although I have a suspicion he put his foot down. Then he started chasing me, playfully I might add. He wasn't getting in my space, he was keeping with me through the tight stuff, because... Why wouldn't he, they're the same car, I wasn't going particularly fast. But on the straights the 80 just walks away... 1.2 is a small petrol engine. The 1.6 can't overtake like the DCI80 can. Simply due to torque. Much nicer driving a small diesel than a small petrol.. Much much less stressful.

 

[black kro]

a re-mapped 80 dci will see off a standard mini cooper

a 1.4 would be a long long way in the dust

60mpg easy, 40mpg @ constant flat-out 120mph!

MINT dci 80's with moderate milesage for under 4K

 

[C.slicker]

Where should I be looking for this type of motor except eBay and Autotrader?

Dragonperformance chips seem to add about 20 bhp and 40NM of torque to each model, see below:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Renault-DCi-D...ryZ32094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or

http://www.mrhoot.com/


Torn between whether to go for DCI 80 or 65.

Have a budget of about 3200.

Anyhelp appreciated.

Sam

 

[C.slicker]

Your thoughts on the second one down from Car Warehouse.

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/ww...n&ukcarsearch_full.x=33&ukcarsearch_full.y=12

 

[Macester]

my dci 65 cost me and my parents £4600 (went halfs for my 18th) amazing parents! that was from brighouse car auctions in leeds. 53 plate with 20k mileage. came with a sneeky renault cd changer as well which they didnt see!

The fuel consumption is ace, i just dropped some mates off in town for a £10 and it was only a few miles and i must of used about 50p max. Could be a right taxi!


I dont like the look of these tuning boxes or whatever they look tacky and abit too generic. I would suggest getting a custom map instead feel much safer a professional has seen to your car. Thats what i am going to do when I have the cash get a dci80 intercooler and remap done, should be knocking out just above 90bhp with it then I will be king of the road!

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Tuning boxes are usually pretty savage on the fueling side of things. I would steer clear.

Custom remaps..... Think people are getting their wires crossed. A standard remap from superchips (tried and tested on another dci 65/80 that they had in) will cost you £450. It also covers warranty on engine components should it go wrong and the blame is put on the remap (that said, a remap can't actually be seen by Renault, completely invisible) so they need not know.

Fitting intercoolers etc to a 65 in my eyes is not cost effective at all. It's not like a swap job as if you're upgrading the 80's cooler. You're fitting a new one from scratch, will cost a lot. A remap on any turbo diesel will give you very noticable gains.

 

[C.slicker]

Booked myself in for a test drive at Renault on Saturday.

Hope the dealer isn't too pushy as I am certainly not paying dealer prices for one! He said they will try and get hold of a DCi 80.

Sam

 

[Macester]

Fitting intercoolers etc to a 65 in my eyes is not cost effective at all. It's not like a swap job as if you're upgrading the 80's cooler. You're fitting a new one from scratch, will cost a lot. A remap on any turbo diesel will give you very noticable gains.

A used ic80 from Matt Black is £65 + vat and I would get my brother to fit, throw him a bag of peanuts and jobs a good en.

Booked myself in for a test drive at Renault on Saturday.

Hope the dealer isn't too pushy as I am certainly not paying dealer prices for one! He said they will try and get hold of a DCi 80.

Sam

Yeah report back after, tell us your views!

 

[Harry_manback]

i f**king love diesel owners.

my diesel has 12bhp but was right up the arse of a fiat panda all the way to 35mph!


my 1.4 on the other then

At 45mph in 5th, it gets over 50mpg average.
At 130mph(GPS top speed) it gets shocking 12mpg(est).
At a steady 80mph it will return 38mpg
At a steady 70 it will get upward of 45mpg.

i like my 1.4, it goes fairly well, faster than most 1.4's of its size. corsa etc.
its the same speed as my girlfriends mini cooper and about the same as a vt? (8v saxo).


yeh diesels burn less errrr fuel. i do around 20k a year in my car it averages at about 33mpg when its running ok, i never drive to the speed limit either so thats not too bad i dont think. yeh its not got the fuel economy of the chip fat boys but id always go petrol over diesel, i like to feel like my cars got some guts in it rather than the sound my car made when the cam belt went.

down to personal preference, id like to see the day a 80bhp clio beats a 98bhp, im sure most of these incidents were caused by excitable diesel owners and other drivers prolly not really thrashing thier cars.
i could come out with my own tails of over taking 3 rs's at once but im not gonna go there because we all know to take these things with a pinch of salt.

the head says diesel the dick says petrol. go with your heart!

 

[stuart2088]

130 mph from a 1.4 16v clio. Yeh right. GPS or not. Dream on.

Then again my GPS says my DCI does 143 mph. So it must be right!!!!

Where do these jokers come from?

 

[Harry_manback]

not a diesel owner are you??

 

[C.slicker]

130 mph from a 1.4 16v clio. Yeh right. GPS or not. Dream on.

Then again my GPS says my DCI does 143 mph. So it must be right!!!!

Where do these jokers come from?

 

[DamoWales]

Its all about the DCI!

 

[C.slicker]

I must admit from what I have heard I agree with the above.

Saturday will be the true test though.....

 

[stuart2088]

Well yes as the thread says youve obviously read it. Are you a petrol owner by any chance?

 

[edde]

P.S. don't suppose you managed to look up those faults at work, from the thread the other day?

Nope sorry will have a look when I get a second its about 100th in the list of jobs to do at the moment not enough time in the day.

Dragonperformance chips seem to add about 20 bhp and 40NM of torque to each model, see below:

Torn between whether to go for DCI 80 or 65.

Have a budget of about 3200.

I dont like the look of these tuning boxes or whatever they look tacky and abit too generic. I would suggest getting a custom map instead feel much safer a professional has seen to your car. Thats what i am going to do when I have the cash get a dci80 intercooler and remap done, should be knocking out just above 90bhp with it then I will be king of the road!

At 45mph in 5th, it gets over 50mpg average.
At 130mph(GPS top speed) it gets shocking 12mpg(est).
At a steady 80mph it will return 38mpg
At a steady 70 it will get upward of 45mpg.

yeh diesels burn less errrr fuel. i do around 20k a year in my car it averages at about 33mpg when its running ok, i never drive to the speed limit either so thats not too bad i dont think. yeh its not got the fuel economy of the chip fat boys but id always go petrol over diesel, i like to feel like my cars got some guts in it rather than the sound my car made when the cam belt went.

down to personal preference, id like to see the day a 80bhp clio beats a 98bhp, im sure most of these incidents were caused by excitable diesel owners and other drivers prolly not really thrashing thier cars.

Ok as for my car never checked the exact mpg at those speeds but
at 110+ (basically flat out for about 40 miles in Germany) it does 37mpg.
At 30mph err goes off the chart maybe 140mpg I'd guess by the speed it shoots up
50mpg ish at 80mph.

33mph not bad though but at 20k a year thats about £2.5k worth of fuel (I think I used 88p/liter)
A diesel would do about 55mpg so that £1.5k worth of fuel at 91p/liter
So £1k a year saving plus £70 or so road fund plus cheaper services (no plugs to change)

If you want drop Sanner an email we had a bit of a drag race between his and my car and time after time he won but not by much about 1.5 car lenghts now he has a 1.4 16V with an exhaust (I think) so thats 65hp vs 100hp

I'd keep the dci over a petrol CLio 1.2/1.4/1.6 though even of a 172 in many ways as neither of them is a true sports car and 65/75/100 etc Hp is till the same petrol or diesel just the diesel gives you low down power as well.

130 mph from a 1.4 16v clio. Yeh right. GPS or not. Dream on.
Where do these jokers come from?

You might be suprised I've seen 113on the GPS in mine and thats 50% less power than a 1.4 but hills etc well you get the idea.

 

[stuart2088]

Well put Edde.

I think many of the anti-diesel brigade forget that most of the diesel owners have driven/owned petrol cars for long periods of time before going diesel.

However have petrol drivers done the reverse and owned/driven diesel cars and then swapped to petrol.

I doubt it probably never even driven a derv car.

 

[stuart2088]

PS £50 a year road tax is another minor incentive. Oh and the insurance oh and the 55 mpg at least day in day out.

 

[Macester]

Well put Edde.

I think many of the anti-diesel brigade forget that most of the diesel owners have driven/owned petrol cars for long periods of time before going diesel.

However have petrol drivers done the reverse and owned/driven diesel cars and then swapped to petrol.

I doubt it probably never even driven a derv car.

yeah edde is insanely good at what he talks about, nobody knows who he is, where he came from but we all know that he is the dci GOD.

 

[C.slicker]

lol

Well put Edde.

I think many of the anti-diesel brigade forget that most of the diesel owners have driven/owned petrol cars for long periods of time before going diesel.

However have petrol drivers done the reverse and owned/driven diesel cars and then swapped to petrol.

I doubt it probably never even driven a derv car.

yeah edde is insanely good at what he talks about, nobody knows who he is, where he came from but we all know that he is the dci GOD.

 

[Saner]

Me a edde put our 1.4 and DCI against each other on an airfield drag stip.

There was nothing in it to 60 and afterwards I only just managed to break away. The DCI's a good little cars. However, edde is a bit more enthuiastic with the gears than I. I'm not trying to come up with excuses tho!

With regards to 1.4 top speed, i've had !20 on a TomTom.

 

[tim_foster23]

the dci 80s are very nippy and keep pullin i use to learn in 1 and compaired to my 1.2 it would annilate it.

 

[C.slicker]

You think it was much better than your 1.2 then?

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Remember that diesel horse power is worth more than petrol horse power. A lot to do with the fact that petrol horse power is made at it's peak (around 6k rpm) when diesel is made much power than that (4k rpm on most) which means that at peak power, the diesels are creating a lot more torque, even though they have a smaller rev band and shorter first gears (the reason they're not as good off the mark).

1.2 vs DCI anything... Behave. 1.4 vs DCi65.. Apparently pretty close. 1.6 vs DCi80, very close mid speed (25-80). Remapped DCi80 and you'll need a sport to beat it (as far as Clios go anyway)

 

[Harry_manback]

i love the oil bunnies, yes MPG yes insurance
but then theres servicing costs and the price of diesel too.

yeh i did drive a diesel once, i felt like i had no soul, so left it on the side of the road and walked. its still there.
remember pinch of salt. please dont cry anyone.

 

[Macester]

edde has already knowledged people about the first comment.

you obviously didnt appreciate the raw power you had sat under the bonnet. take it to the nearest hill/cliff and watch it glide up then look in your mirror at the 1.4 16v struggling to get passed the first hurdle. weak like a kitten. anyway i won't go too hard on you seen as you have Doncaster in your location respect.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

lol people.

Don't kid yourselves. The Clio DCis are slow, and pretty boring all round. But I'd rather have it than the petrol equivalents(1.4/6)

 

[stuart2088]

If you class your Dci as slow i guess there must be something wrong with it!!!

Anyway who wants to drive at 5000 to 6000 rpm to release the optimum torque and bhp. As per Eddes post.

 

[Macester]

lol people.

Don't kid yourselves. The Clio DCis are slow, and pretty boring all round. But I'd rather have it than the petrol equivalents(1.4/6)

dont disrespect the dci after all you are a dci brother, thats like disrespecting your own mother. feel the power!