172 Cup Engine in a mk1 Pedal Box??

[Craigie-B]

Hey Guys,

Looking around for an f4r for my mk1 valver, came across a 172 cup engine.

I started thinking about the flyby wire system they have on these cars instead of the throttle cable - is it possible to fit the 172 pedal box to my mk1?

In doing this and putting in the interior loom and clocks would It then all be fully working? Just trying to think of a way of getting around the ph1 engine just out of interest really.

Cheers

Craig

 

[Chip-mk1]

The accelerator pedal would be easy to fit yes, you dont need the other pedals though.

When you say cup engine you mean the complete setup with ecu and loom etc too?

 

[Tony Hunter]

There is a complete conversion kit for sale on here, engine, loom the lot. it would be alot easier.

Northy is selling it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Got a link? I just had a quick look and failed to find it.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just read it again, not quite what I thought.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...PLETE-Engine-amp-Gearbox-(BOLT-IN-CONVERSION)

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ah yeah I found that one but it was an F7R where as it sounds like Craig means an F4R.

 

[Craigie-B]

Yeah I mean F4R, and yes chip I would be looking to use the 172 ph2 loom both interior and engine and the ecu (after decoding ofc) untill I can afford standalone x

Yeah I know all about the F7R northy is selling, I got all the parts to re-build my car from him, infact that engine and the steering rack from that williams 3 are the only parts I didnt have from the front end haha

So just to re-cap, I could get a 172 cup fly by wire pedal and it would be easy enough to bolt into my car

 

[Tony Hunter]

Sorry, I only skimmed it this morning.

 

[Chip-mk1]

So just to re-cap, I could get a 172 cup fly by wire pedal and it would be easy enough to bolt into my car

The pedal itself would be VERY easy to bolt in yes.

 

[Daniel]

I have a cup pedal box in my mk1. Just fitted with a ph1 throttle pedal. I've got a cup servo as well.

Danlp6 fitted it for me, so please don't ask me any questions! Lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

Im not sure if Craig means a road going cup engine, or a cup racer, if its the former then I would think the immobiliser side of things is going to be a bit of a ballache, the ph1 is simpler in that respect I believe although Ive never been involved in taking the immobiliser off either personally.

 

[Craigie-B]

yeah as in a clio 172 cup the road car Im just thinking realistically is it plausable, I may as well buy a whole car for when I come to do the conversion and iirc the cup doesnt have aircon or anything so it save me having to remove all that to put it in the mk1?

 

[Chip-mk1]

yeah as in a clio 172 cup the road car Im just thinking realistically is it plausable, I may as well buy a whole car for when I come to do the conversion and iirc the cup doesnt have aircon or anything so it save me having to remove all that to put it in the mk1?

I think the loom side of things will be a ballache due to the canbus side of things wanting to see the key immobliser etc, but Ive not tried.
Buying a complete car would give you the cup widetrack with extra caster etc though so good from that point of view, and yes the cup setup is a good one IF you want to run hydraulic power steering but no aircon, if you want neither though, you need the same setup Daniel has instead so cup or not wont make any difference.

 

[Craigie-B]

Yeah I would like to still keep my power steering, although do some of them have electric steering?? I know some of the 2005 scenic's did? I was going to pinch the hubs and brake setups anyway (pressing in the valver hub carrier or whatever it is called). Where all mk2's cable clutch?

I want to use the interior dash and clocks etc as we previously discussed chip, and buying a whole car and using stuff from that would obv make the most sense instead of buying a ph1 and trying to match up the interior looms from a ph1 rs and a ph2 rs

edit: plus if I used the mk2 lockset I shouldnt have immobiliser issues

 

[Chip-mk1]

Only electric column mk2 ones are the DCi as far as im aware.
All mk2 sports are cable clutch yes.

Will be cool if you can do the whole lot, if you do everything including the clocks and loom etc it should solve any immobiliser problems too as you will still have the correct key and loom etc, even the ODB port so we can remap it etc if you ever went for an RS2 for example.

 

[Craigie-B]

you can remap the standard ecu? And yes I will deffo be going RS2 because of the location of the tb I can use my group a scuttle induction with it

 

[Chip-mk1]

you can remap the standard ecu?

Yes, with a bit of help from a mate who has the right equipment for the standard ECU which I dont as not worth the investment for me as nearly everything I need to remap is either on aftermarket or is just diesel stuff where a chiptune file is fine.
Its a lengthy process doing it that way so not something I would ever do for the public, but its fine for mates, thats how I did Lesleys and Dans.

And yes I will deffo be going RS2 because of the location of the tb I can use my group a scuttle induction with it

Ah cool, didnt realise you had already decided that, try and get some 197 cams too then.

 

[Craigie-B]

<3 love you chip

 

[Chip-mk1]

Does this progress with your mk1 mean you no longer want to buy the ph1 turbo I built for you?

 

[Craigie-B]

You would never sell that, your completely in love with it "if it got 50mpg id use it everyday" ring a bell?

Couldn't afford it anyway bud especially considering if things go well with barclays its a sept 14 start.

I wonder if I could get cruise control to work in a mk1

 

[Chip-mk1]

You would never sell that, your completely in love with it "if it got 50mpg id use it everyday" ring a bell?

Cor, typical customers, you build them the ideal car and then they bale out of the deal!

Couldn't afford it anyway bud especially considering if things go well with barclays its a sept 14 start.

fingers crossed mate.

I wonder if I could get cruise control to work in a mk1

Cruise control shoulnt be a problem, we retrofitted it to our ph2 and the cups have a speedo drive box like ours does, you'd struggle a lot more if you were using a later ph2 donor though as on them the speed is done through the ABS.

PM Danlp6 for a definitive answer on if its possible on a cup though as im sure he will know, where as I am just making assumptions.

 

[Craigie-B]

Ill pm him later on bud should be a good project, this all seems similar to the mini, an engine change turned into a massive full on conversion haha

 

[mr.pink87]

Only electric column mk2 ones are the DCi as far as im aware.
All mk2 sports are cable clutch yes.

Will be cool if you can do the whole lot, if you do everything including the clocks and loom etc it should solve any immobiliser problems too as you will still have the correct key and loom etc, even the ODB port so we can remap it etc if you ever went for an RS2 for example.

All ph2/3 non sports run EPAS.

 

[Chip-mk1]

All ph2/3 non sports run EPAS.

Ah cool, thanks for the correction, I only get involved with the sports so no very little about the rest of the range, its always DCi ones for some reason I see people retrofit so thought it was only the DCi that had it.

 

[Craigie-B]

Ahhh, Electric Steering could be a winner as well