172 Cup Racecar.

[Nick172Cup]

impressive build.

hope your budget will stretch to racing the thing once its built!

Cheers!

With regards the budget for racing, there'll be two of us racing so the entry fees/maintaining of the car will be split.

Race entry fee is around £350 per race team so that's split in half obviously.What we'll be doing is budgeting probably just over £1000 a race, which shall include race fuel, transportation fuel, hotels if needs be and the extra budget for maintenance as and when it needs it.

We're looking at doing around 7 races in the first season depending on how the car does so that only works out at £3,500 per season per driver, which is fine for both of us.

It's been thought out quite a bit, I'm not just throwing money at the car and forgetting about the primary thing it'll be used for, which is racing the damn thing!

But a reliable car is better start for a first seasons racing IMO, would rather spend more now to make the first season go smoother as it'll be a learning curve for both of us.

Nick

 

[Tony Hunter]

Very realistic and sensible,if it wasn't for alternators,the only thing we had happen was the throttle cable.Something will crop up,it always does.
Thats why we "life" things like rear wheel bearings etc,rather spend £100 on renewing than lose £350 on an entry fee.

Oh and Nick I shall be at Matt's from about 9am on Friday,said you were coming to have a chat with him.

 

[Jonny1*2]

Nice conservative figure Nick. I suppose the main thing is to try and enjoy the first season, try not to let the buzz make you overdrive, and see how the car responds. Oh and enjoy it

 

[Nick172Cup]

Very realistic and sensible,if it wasn't for alternators,the only thing we had happen was the throttle cable.Something will crop up,it always does.
Thats why we "life" things like rear wheel bearings etc,rather spend £100 on renewing than lose £350 on an entry fee.

Oh and Nick I shall be at Matt's from about 9am on Friday,said you were coming to have a chat with him.

Yeah I took in what you've said regarding reliability as throwing a race fee and all the travelling costs etc down the drain is something we dont want.

I'll leave mine around 9ish and see you guys up there around 10:30/11ish!

Nice conservative figure Nick. I suppose the main thing is to try and enjoy the first season, try not to let the buzz make you overdrive, and see how the car responds. Oh and enjoy it

Yeah hopefully that budget should set us in the right direction for the season unless something major goes but then thats just the stress' of racing.

I want podiums and wont stop until I succeed! Joking! Nah to be completely honest with you i'll be happy just doing something a bit more competitive, trackdays are good for throwing the car round and practice but do get a little boring as you cant get too close to other cars! No doubt once we get onto the grid i'll be shaking like a s**tting dog! lol

 

[Tony Hunter]

I want podiums and wont stop until I succeed! Joking! Nah to be completely honest with you i'll be happy just doing something a bit more competitive, trackdays are good for throwing the car round and practice but do get a little boring as you cant get too close to other cars! No doubt once we get onto the grid i'll be shaking like a s**tting dog! lol

£1000 a meeting is not far off,some more ,some less,but with that you should have some left over as well.

And yes you will brick it when on the grid for the first time.Happy day's.

 

[Russ_16v]

Cough *update

 

[Nick172Cup]

Cough *update

Lol, you may be waiting for an update for a while Russ... Will explain more tonight when im back from work, lets just say i'll be having some ///M Power in my life in the next couple of weeks so this may be delayed a while.

 

[Russ_16v]

Awaits update

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

Looking good Nick, fan play for diving in and having a go. Something I MAY look into one day, certainly not anytime soon thats for sure.

 

[Cliodan26]

Is the Rs2 still for sale nick ?

 

[Nick172Cup]

Is the Rs2 still for sale nick ?

Your very persistent Dan I'll give you that, yes I might actually sell it now as the interest in building a Clio racecar has gone. Honda's are the way to go I think now.

Dan send me a pm and I'll get back to you.

Nick

 

[Russ_16v]

Nooooo!

 

[Jonny1*2]

That lasted long nick what Honda? Integra?

 

[Nick172Cup]

That lasted long nick what Honda? Integra?

Lol, merely cannot be arsed to spend thousands on a car that won't be competitive! Having thought about the grids in the tintops, being in the 2000cc class is the worst one for being competitive whereas in the 1800cc and 1600cc class you can
be alot more competitive. Especially with a honda! Not decided on a car as it's a way off, but a 1.6 16v Vtec eg civic or if I have more money to play with then maybe a 1.8 16v Vtec dc2 integra.

For the time being anyways im looking to purchase one of my realistic must own cars, a E36 M3 saloon.

 

[mark123]

But you've already spent most of the money (cage, RS2, etc). You might as well learn some race craft with what you've got while you save for the "upgrade".

 

[Nick172Cup]

But you've already spent most of the money (cage, RS2, etc). You might as well learn some race craft with what you've got while you save for the "upgrade".

I'll get most of that money back tbh Mark, as the car doesn't run still to get it running and race ready is still going to cost at least £5,000 upwards which I'll never get back and even then I wont be competitive. Having helped the Burpspeed guys and seeing the class' as said earlier I can have a quicker/better setup car than my current clio from the outset plus in a lower class.

Plus out of all of that, when I do go to purchase a new car, it will more than likely be a race prepped car or 80% done. Building a racecar from scratch isn't what it's cracked out to be, it's a pain in the arse and quite a waste of money.

 

[Saner]

why do you think I wanted a Saxo

 

[Sir_Dave]

why do you think I wanted a Saxo

FLOL.

As much as people take the pi55 out of me for my grey hair, with age, comes wisom

Nick. You're mad. Just man up & go racing in an M3 ...

 

[Saner]

Just you wait Dave, i've nearly finished the reincarnation

 

[Sir_Dave]

Did it involve some fixing the chassis rail with some rope, a tree & reverse gear? Or have you managed to find another shell?

You need to update your project thread btw

 

[mwn11]

Going to selling parts or transfering things like seats over to the new car?
Also so do you now have throttle bodies and an rs2? or never got round to buying bodies?

Pity to stop so far along into the build but it makes sense money and competition wise.

Could make an awesome fast road/track car if somebody wanted to make it road legal!!

 

[Nick172Cup]

Dave - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2794592.htmNom nom nom, even comes with a trailor! Mwn11 - Will be keeping the seats for the time being, its got an RS-2 on it atm making good power so if someone wanted to finish it it would be indeed a fantastic trackcar or even road car if you put a bit of work into it.

 

[Sir_Dave]

Ha ha, thats ones awesome tbh, i considered buying it before they put the M3 engine in it in fact - is a massive build thread on it on bmwowner! Has won a few of the TD Trophy races iirc.

 

[Saner]

New Shell, transfered all teh parts, just need to strip it and i'll be back to square one!

 

[Tony Hunter]

I can see where Nick is coming from,having been to a few races now with us,he has seen the competition and it's very fast.
Going down a class is not a bad idea or going German for the other series would also be fun.
That Beema is a good price,less than what our clio cost us to build.

 

[Sir_Dave]

less than what our clio cost us to build.

 

[mwn11]

I can see where Nick is coming from,having been to a few races now with us,he has seen the competition and it's very fast.
Going down a class is not a bad idea or going German for the other series would also be fun.
That Beema is a good price,less than what our clio cost us to build.

You must have around 6k+ just in parts before the labour and specialist things?

 

[Nick172Cup]

Was that to me or Tony? If its to Tony there is soo much things that people dont realise you need or have to upgrade for reliability when building a racecar, its all the little things that add up in the end to make a massive amount!

 

[mwn11]

Tony but i can imagine you must of been close. And i can imagine.

Looking at buying something completed already or nearly there next?

 

[TimR26]

Shame to stop the build half way through but makes sense to get the most competitive car you can for your budget.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Tony but i can imagine you must of been close. And i can imagine.

Looking at buying something completed already or nearly there next?

For the time being I've always wanted an E36 M3 Evo Saloon and my friend has one for sale so going to buy that.

But for a racecar in the future I'll be looking at getting a pre done one or 90% done car.

 

[bomber]

nick, buy that beemer. that is all....

 

[Jay Payne]

THE BOY HAS SEEN SENSE!!!

Buying a car is the way to go, for sure. And going down a class or 2 isnt a bad idea if your doing Tintops. We are struggling to keep ahead of the 1.6 class C stuff at times. Puma's running 195bhp. A lot of ex touring/Brit cars in Class A now. Guy who won the series last year (and got a massive trophy) was a Class D Peugeot 205 1.6 8valve. Had loads of class wins and is doing very well again this year. We will keep improving the car and will get quicker, our car still has loads to give in terms of speed but it needs time and money to develop.

Nick, a guy on the CSCC forum is looking to build a Clio, might be interested in your shell..

 

[mark123]

So is it power the Clio/F4R struggles with?

It might fare better in a series that uses power/weight for the class structure.

 

[Jay Payne]

Just general pace. Like I said loads of areas we can improve our car, not just power. Its still basicly a road car chassis wise, just a set of coilovers. Still working on setup for a start.

We love the CSCC and wont be moving series. We have thought about trying the MSV Team Trophy but weve got enough races and decent circuits to choose from already.

 

[Tony Hunter]

So is it power the Clio/F4R struggles with?

It might fare better in a series that uses power/weight for the class structure.

Not just power but also tuning abilities.
Spend 4k on an F4r for what,20bhp? spend half that on a Honda and get the same or more,plus these cars are fully rose jointed etc and are set up to each race accordingly,not really what I would call club racing.
Also Sunday,just to add to the pain,we have Mike Jordon ex BTCC driver in a Honda,that will be a hoot.

But saying all that, we really enjoy it and that's what counts,and we are getting closer and closer to them bad boys.

 

[Tony Hunter]

And the trailer

 

[adg172cup]

Just take him out Tony... not fair he is tin tops when his set up is worth more than most people on here houses....

 

[Sir_Dave]

And the trailer

Tony / Jay = Highrollers

In all seriousness though Nick, at uni i was in & around Motorsport for quite a bit, in fact my housemate raced a fair bit .... hence why i'd been to/driven most of the UK racetracks whilst you lot were still in nappies:rasp:

BTCC - Production Class

Leon Cupra Championship

As such, im very much aware of how much it all costs, hence my suggestion of buying a car thats already done. Oh, & imho just start of with something basic, winning everything in your 1st season is quite frankly not going to happen, so why spend a fortune trying to get the fastest car on the grid?! Just build something to learn in. For me, id go one make series, with strict regs on changes, ie Ma5da Championship or something, costs are less, & its the driving ability more that wins races, not the size of the racers chequebook ....

You may also find that racing is simply too expensive a hobby to keep up.

 

[Nick172Cup]

THE BOY HAS SEEN SENSE!!!

Buying a car is the way to go, for sure. And going down a class or 2 isnt a bad idea if your doing Tintops. We are struggling to keep ahead of the 1.6 class C stuff at times. Puma's running 195bhp. A lot of ex touring/Brit cars in Class A now. Guy who won the series last year (and got a massive trophy) was a Class D Peugeot 205 1.6 8valve. Had loads of class wins and is doing very well again this year. We will keep improving the car and will get quicker, our car still has loads to give in terms of speed but it needs time and money to develop.

Nick, a guy on the CSCC forum is looking to build a Clio, might be interested in your shell..

Lol! Indeed I have seen the light! Can I get onto the cscc forum? If not let the guy know that the shell (with all panels) with cage and perspex windows are for sale.

Dave - I know you were right in that I should of just bought a pre done one but at the time building one was part of the fun, regretting doing it big style now!

It's not that I want a stupid quick car that going to get wins as I have no racecraft or any experience so I'd never win anyway, however I could pump another 5-10k into the car and it still wouldn't be as quick as the most of the class even if I was senna! What I'm trying to say is that I want to find a pre built car in the future now but thats in a lower class to start with so that I'm not getting romped in the higher class' which is no fun.

The Mazda championship does sound good, however I will be an absolute amateur in that as I have no rwd experience whatsoever.

I've never had a problem with it being an expensive hobbie, however I at least want something good/average for my money and building a Clio definitely isn't that.

Nick