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mmm..... Starting to wonder if the one i had a play with had a re-map or something then, he had alot more power when we got close to three figures. Or maybe its the usual cliosport chat, clio's are the fastest cars on the road??
Reading the post you have quoted you seem to be saying the same thing. Whats the beef? :S
RS Clios' are rapid up to 90-100mph then start to tail off compared to bigger more powerfull cars. But down a challenging A or B road there is going to be feck all in it.
this has no doubt been put on here before but it is funny reading all the excuses below the video from the ST owners!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImTU0LnNN-A
Got to agree with all the sensible comments on here... there would be nothing in it on a give and take road. I know I would rather have my cup and that is all that matters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImTU0LnNN-A
Got to agree with all the sensible comments on here... there would be nothing in it on a give and take road. I know I would rather have my cup and that is all that matters
Martin_172
ClioSport Club Member
i raced one in my 172, the extra torque out roundabouts was noticeable but once i got going there was nothing in it untill 80-90mph really
Raced my mates st-2 from a standing start there wasnt a great deal in it maybe 3 car lengths max! once i got to 120 he started closing the lead i had and went past me when i was doing 135 ish.
Same thing another time with some random st driver sitting on my bumper when he decided to overtake we was doing about 50 ish and i hit the fast pedal pulled on him about 2 lengths then i backed off.
Same thing another time with some random st driver sitting on my bumper when he decided to overtake we was doing about 50 ish and i hit the fast pedal pulled on him about 2 lengths then i backed off.
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Just a slightly different take on things, i know the 1*2's aren't the fastest cars on earth but to be comparing them to cars with superior/more modern technology and power, i think , is credit to renault, after all it's all about smile per mile !! and the clio in that respect is hard to beat .
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
Plus its a 3rd of the price so fair play to the renault and your post
Mk1 Eunos Roadster
Yeah the little Clio holds its own damn well, but it still doesn't stop me wanting a bright orange focus ST... 
...just a little anyway.
...just a little anyway.try not to be so narrow minded chap, engine size isnt the factor which makes the cup punch above its weight...
Using your logic even a tank should beat a cup... say (now i know nothing about tanks but...) an M47 tank which i THINK has something like a V12, air cooled, twin turbo'd engine. producing about 810bhp... MASSIVE engine but its power to weight is SOMETHING like probably (now i know nothing about tanks but...) about 17.6bhp per tonne
i think...
GDI 227bhp ITB`d 172 cup
APR LCR225
Was out with my mate last weekend in his gti-6 and had a do with one off a roundabout, we were behind him and right on his tail until about 110, at which point he bottled it as there was a car infront and we flew past them both.
Not as quick as i expected!
His 6 is track prepd, few engine mods (panel,racing cat) 150k miles on the engine and cost 1700 quid:rasp:, as opposed to 15k+ for the focus!
306: 1 ST:0
Not as quick as i expected!
His 6 is track prepd, few engine mods (panel,racing cat) 150k miles on the engine and cost 1700 quid:rasp:, as opposed to 15k+ for the focus!
306: 1 ST:0
Leon Cupra 300
H&R + Pole Position'd Cup
Came up against an ST yesterday. I came off the roundabout behind it and was pulling on him a fair bit. I was having to hold the revs down - whether they were really going for it or got a change wrong I dont know. Unfortunately we both got stuck behind another car and that was the end of that.
Very obvious
APR LCR225
Lol! me aswell,the 306 is a total bucket!haha
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
If I was buying a car, with my own money, and could only choose between an St and a GTi-6. I'd have the 306. I quite like 306s - the ST does nothing for me and costs 8 times what the 306 does - yet isn't much quicker and probably doesn't handle as well.
Dan
Dan
GTI-6 is a good drivers' car but can't see many being reliable now. Plus they look a bit dated, especially on the interior. Obviously, the ST is going to cost more now but they are still quite reasonable for what you get - especially the ST-1. Saying that, the Cup is by far the best car/fun per £ out of the three. Who needs 6 gears anyway?
Thats not saying much.
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
They're not faster than a Mk1 V6 - presumably he felt the need to include them to 'get back' at me as I own one for saying I'd rather have a GTi6 heh. In the dry a well driven Mk1 Vee would hang onto most things handling wise (within reason) - massive amounts of grip till the limit.
<queue posts of "I beat a Mk1 V6 in my ST blah blah">
Dan
I have owned both a mk1 V6 (for 18 months) and a Focus ST (just got rid of it actually so am looking from an unbiased viewpoint of an ex-owner of both cars) and the focus handles better than the mk1 V and is faster straight line.
It might be close in the dry, but Focus would edge it as it has masses of grip, turns in far quicker and gets the power out of the corner quicker.
In the wet the Focus would triumph easily.
V6 is a better car (more thrilling, better looking and better sounding), but just not as well set up.
All I am saying is that if a Gti-6 is faster than a Focus ST, it's faster than a mk1 V6 also.
It might be close in the dry, but Focus would edge it as it has masses of grip, turns in far quicker and gets the power out of the corner quicker.
In the wet the Focus would triumph easily.
V6 is a better car (more thrilling, better looking and better sounding), but just not as well set up.
All I am saying is that if a Gti-6 is faster than a Focus ST, it's faster than a mk1 V6 also.
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APR LCR225
Nah mate, your implying that im making it up in regards to the gti-6.
A standard st is not faster in a straight line than a mk1 v6. Maybe it felt eager on boost with the turbo, who knows. If you owned both and can drive reasonably then you should ideally be able to say there wouldnt be that much in it in outright straight line pace..as it would be most likely points of seconds different. abit broad to just state that the ford is faster. The st wasnt much of a threat to my old mans previous 255 at all, mk1 vee isnt worlds behind the mk2.
My mate kept with the st in his gti-6 down a straight road, i was sat with him and i for one couldnt give a monkeys which is quicker.im just stating what i observed. Id be happy in saying he would have killed it anywhere we could have gone too as he is a truly s**t hot driver.
I am guessing some of it also comes down to nerves, or how far the driver wants to push it. Also if you can get off the mark first because the other wasn't expecting it, it goes a long way.
I raced a Mondeo ST220 whilst test driving a Audi A3 2.0TDi (140) up to about 100mph he couldn't shake me. But then again I was pushing him and was in the right gear to go, so as soon as he started to go I was already accelerating hard, he had to drop a cog or two and then build up so my velocity was already increasing, hsi wasn't. But once we hit a ton I thought that will do, so popped it into 6th and plodded around at probably 40+mpg, whereas he was seeing soemwhere like 20mpg I guess ;-)
Cheers H
I raced a Mondeo ST220 whilst test driving a Audi A3 2.0TDi (140) up to about 100mph he couldn't shake me. But then again I was pushing him and was in the right gear to go, so as soon as he started to go I was already accelerating hard, he had to drop a cog or two and then build up so my velocity was already increasing, hsi wasn't. But once we hit a ton I thought that will do, so popped it into 6th and plodded around at probably 40+mpg, whereas he was seeing soemwhere like 20mpg I guess ;-)
Cheers H
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