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Seat Ibiza
Ive just seen that, look smart doesn't it!
EDIT: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...lue-172-original-amp-clean-%A32995-px-welcome
EDIT: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...lue-172-original-amp-clean-%A32995-px-welcome
Volvo XC60 T8
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Clue might be in why Renault felt the need to offer the cup packs on standard 172's... the standard suspension was too soft (again, imo) for a hot hatch. Don't recall any other hot hatches having uprated suspension as an option 10 years ago?? To be fair, I thought the same of the 306 when I first got it and chucked in tighter springs there too (and my FTO prior to that) so I guess it's more my personal taste - fact remains, handling is well improved with tighter springs.
Volvo XC60 T8
There were 7 different cup packs available for the 172 and 9 for the 182 iirc.
260% JCW
The original 172? The cup packs were not an option on the 172.......
Seat Ibiza
7 cup packs? What were they?
My old man used to work at a main dealer and have a 172 as a company car, I asked him an he couldn't remember, the only ones he could remember was the 182 cup packs!!
Its just you don't see them advertised at all if there is a such thing...
I cant find anything on here;
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage/Default.aspx
My old man used to work at a main dealer and have a 172 as a company car, I asked him an he couldn't remember, the only ones he could remember was the 182 cup packs!!
Its just you don't see them advertised at all if there is a such thing...
I cant find anything on here;
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage/Default.aspx
260% JCW
No mention on the Renault web site, not until the 182.
OK, whatever, moral of the story is a standard ph2 mk2 172 handles like a blimp where the steering wheel is connected to the wheels by some kind of spongy phlegm-like substance until you change the springs and it becomes ace... at least in my experience anyway. Loving my clio now - didn't before.
That may be your story, but it's distinctly possible that you are a true driving god.
A 172, as Renault intended, is fine for 95% of all drivers. Naturally, there are plenty of part-time chassis engineers out there who know far better.
It's worth considering that the more bump-n-whack a Clio gets, the more rattles you end up with.
Moral of thre story - If you want to be deafened by ratling trim, slam a 172 cup over coilovers
A 172, as Renault intended, is fine for 95% of all drivers. Naturally, there are plenty of part-time chassis engineers out there who know far better.
It's worth considering that the more bump-n-whack a Clio gets, the more rattles you end up with.
Moral of thre story - If you want to be deafened by ratling trim, slam a 172 cup over coilovers
260% JCW
Blimp, sponge.....So Renault spend £k's developing the car for some "part time chasis engineer" to purcahse a £160 set of springs finishing the job they couldn't.....
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/19910/renault_sport_clio_172.html
Each to there own though, your's must have been a very tired example.
Seat Ibiza
I am with ya there mate! I could understand the Sachs suspension on the Trophy making a difference!
But hey I love my little Clio, shes the best daily i've ever had!!
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Volvo XC60 T8
I was taking the piss.
I'd never read such a load of b****cks....
But then I noticed you live in Scotland so it's probably the Buckfast talking!
Laguna sport tourer
cup IMO
I'm not 'making out' anything, meerly pointing out the differences I found. Cup feels a little more direct, a little noisier, a little bit faster, a little bit more raw, all those little differences add up to make a significant difference. That was the whole idea of the thing!
No biast opinions either as I drive an M3 lol
Laguna sport tourer
agree with this^
No, I'm not the Stig, not the current one anyway 
I know I'm onto a loosing battle on a clio forum saying the clio is anything other than perfect in all shapes and sizes, but sometimes you have to take the blinkers off people.
The OP is choosing between a cup or standard one... do you think he has a passion for lack of climate control or soft velvety alacantra seats? No, he wants the better set-up that the cup gives him, right?
And how many people on the forum have changed their standard set up for improved? There is even a thread on here about "what's the best mod you've done?" and it's full of "changed springs / coilies" etc.
Why do people do this and rave about it if it was like so totally awesome Dude to begin with?
Or maybe mines was the only poor handling clio ever... is pretty good now though.
So, in summary then, go for a standard, but change the springs - a good compromise between performance and creature comforts n'est pas? (as we say in Scotland, on the rare occasion we are lucid for long enough).
I know I'm onto a loosing battle on a clio forum saying the clio is anything other than perfect in all shapes and sizes, but sometimes you have to take the blinkers off people.
The OP is choosing between a cup or standard one... do you think he has a passion for lack of climate control or soft velvety alacantra seats? No, he wants the better set-up that the cup gives him, right?
And how many people on the forum have changed their standard set up for improved? There is even a thread on here about "what's the best mod you've done?" and it's full of "changed springs / coilies" etc.
Why do people do this and rave about it if it was like so totally awesome Dude to begin with?
Or maybe mines was the only poor handling clio ever... is pretty good now though.
So, in summary then, go for a standard, but change the springs - a good compromise between performance and creature comforts n'est pas? (as we say in Scotland, on the rare occasion we are lucid for long enough).
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
No, I'm not the Stig, not the current one anyway
I know I'm onto a loosing battle on a clio forum saying the clio is anything other than perfect in all shapes and sizes, but sometimes you have to take the blinkers off people.
The OP is choosing between a cup or standard one... do you think he has a passion for lack of climate control or soft velvety alacantra seats? No, he wants the better set-up that the cup gives him, right?
And how many people on the forum have changed their standard set up for improved? There is even a thread on here about "what's the best mod you've done?" and it's full of "changed springs / coilies" etc.
Why do people do this and rave about it if it was like so totally awesome Dude to begin with?
Or maybe mines was the only poor handling clio ever... is pretty good now though.
So, in summary then, go for a standard, but change the springs - a good compromise between performance and creature comforts n'est pas? (as we say in Scotland, on the rare occasion we are lucid for long enough).
You're wrong on so many levels TBH.
^^ True enough
Thank you for pointing that out... I like how you have been able to take my position and render it wasted with your insightful counter argument.
Thank you for pointing that out... I like how you have been able to take my position and render it wasted with your insightful counter argument.
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
No, I'm not the Stig, not the current one anyway
I know I'm onto a loosing battle on a clio forum saying the clio is anything other than perfect in all shapes and sizes, but sometimes you have to take the blinkers off people.
The OP is choosing between a cup or standard one... do you think he has a passion for lack of climate control or soft velvety alacantra seats? No, he wants the better set-up that the cup gives him, right?
And how many people on the forum have changed their standard set up for improved? There is even a thread on here about "what's the best mod you've done?" and it's full of "changed springs / coilies" etc.
Why do people do this and rave about it if it was like so totally awesome Dude to begin with?
Or maybe mines was the only poor handling clio ever... is pretty good now though.
So, in summary then, go for a standard, but change the springs - a good compromise between performance and creature comforts n'est pas? (as we say in Scotland, on the rare occasion we are lucid for long enough).
Ok then..
The Clio 172 is far from perfect! Poor seating position, seats, huge steering wheel, build quality etc.. But they do handle well out of the box.
I have changed the suspension on my 172 to H&R coilvers (set up properly) as it suits my driving better for fast road/track use, and IMO is a improvement on a already very good suspension set up.
I've driven a few 172/82's on springs and wasn't that impressed TBH.
Hasn't seen much of that :rasp:
Anyway Chinabuckfasti the OP should get a Megane R26. A remap gives better gains than a 172 could dream of and it handles as well as a 172 on premium coilovers (doesn't it Fletch
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