172 vs 172Cup / Phase1 vs Phase2

[C.J]

I've been toying with the idea of getting a 172, or 172Cup.

I like all colours, Blue, Silver and Black. (Not red)

I've got a few questions regarding the 2 versions, that i hope you can help.

What's the main differences between the 172 and 172Cup? (Extras / Performance / Insurance?)

What's the difference between a phase1 and phase2?

I've had a quote on a 2000 172, will this differ much to a 172Cup?

What would you recommend?

Thanks in advance, and i hope to become a Clio owner soon

 

[FlameR]

I was gonna reply properly until you said you don't like red. pfffft

 

[Russ_16v]

hey matey click the search button,as there is a list somewhere with all the differences,easier than listing it for ya lol oh and welcome

 

[C.J]

Thanks lads. I've found the basics ie seats, AC, etc, but what about Phase1 and Phase2?

Will insurance be affected between the two?

 

[Cookie]

Phase 1 are the ones like Russ, with the weird blue interiors and odd front ends. They are lighter.

Phase 2 are the ones like mine, filled with awesomeness.

Have another search around, the differences have been listed many a time.

Insurance won't be different between the two, depends on the age/value of the car I guess

 

[Timmay]

I was gonna reply properly until you said you don't like red. pfffft

FLOL! im with you ste!

 

[C.J]

I think deep down, i'm in love with the Red ones, just can't admit it (does that help? )

Thanks for your replies.

I've just spoken to the insurance, and you're right, the Cup makes no difference to the normal 172. The only difference was between a 2000 (phase1 i believe) and a 2002 (phase2 i believe) and it was like £20per year.

 

[Rich_16v]

From eddes guide all the differences

Clio 2.0 History

Phase 1 172

The first Mk2 2.0 liter cars were on a 2000 W plate there aren’t many though many were demonstration or car used as journalists test cars.

The Spec was as below

F4R 730 engine although there are some cars with a different code number (they are all the same power wise and there all F4R in the 172/182 range)
172 DIN HP (which is different than a UK HP, in UK HP it would be 166.6) throttle by wire cable engine
Sports body kit
ABS
Normal headlights (Zeons were never fitted even to foreign cars aftermarket kits are available though
They came in
Yellow (very rare)
Black (again quite rare)
Odyssey Blue
Mars red
Two shades of silver Titanian and icebear silver
No normal cars were ever made in green (see below),
Some cars have aluminium bonnet leading to the cars weight a few Kg's less.

Exclusive

At the end of the production run there was a special edition car made call the Exclusive there were only 172 made all sold in the Uk. The different features were as follows
Different alloys (multispoke)
Metallic green paint (this should be the giveaway since the normal cars never came in green)
Grey full leather interier.
Plaque in the car showing its number in the series. The rumours of extra cars having been made are false

Phase 2 172

The phase 2 cars first came out on a Y plate many were dealership or test cars on this plate though.

Differences were the use of the phase 2 body shell, interior etc also engine was changed to a drive by electric cable type (engine code F7R 732). Later versions of the engine used the turbo head casting which isn't as good but the engine code and power output officially didn't chnage. UCH computer to control all the cars electrics was also added and the gearbox was also changed. Reduced gearbox ratios were used to help keep the 0-60 speeds etc the same since the phase 2 172 weighted a fair bit more but had no more hp.

Also the front suspension was change different redesigned driveshafts etc were used but the spec is similar. (see here for the details of spec changes????????????????????????????????)

The CD changer was changed to an optional for £300 then added as stock spec then later removed again (when crusie became stock spec). In the phase 1 it was standard. Most people took this option up but if they didn't the CD changer cable won't be there if it is there then the last owner has taken the changer out but not the wire. However the wire is £86 from Renault and they are the only stockist.

About mid 2001 though the gearbox was changed the speedo sensor was removed and the speedo input comes from the ABS system. The ratios remained the same.

On about mid 2003 models ESP was added. On later cars a button apeeared to turn it off it appears on the drivers ride hand side near the traction control button. It can be switched off and if it is a little triangle appears on the dashboard with a car sliding about inside it. If its left switched on (it always defaults to being on) if it is operating then the triangular light with a picture of a car sliding about appears. Some people like the system others don't. For track work most people switch it off. Some switch it off all the time.

On later 2003 models also cruise control and speed limiter was added. Its easy to tell if a car has it as there the extra buttons on the steering wheel itself.

Also clear side repeaters were put into production about 2003. (from orange)

There were foreign special edition cars made notiable the PS2 version although I've no more information on spec so its unlikly to be any serious changes.

At about 53 plate a cost saving measure to remove the door locks was done. SInce the cars are French and legally you only need one lock on the doors they remove there passenger side door. In the Uk we had to live with the fact we drive on the other side of the road they weren't going to go make cars with locks missing on our drivers side.

The cars came in unique colours only seen on the RS Clios.
Flame red paint code B76
Monaco blue paint code 432 pearlescent
Iceburg silver paint code 640 metalic
Pearl black paint code 676 pearlescent

Options on it were
Sat nav
CD changer
Telephone preparation.

The wheel style is known as Alyum
Interier is known as Dark Grey Perforated Leather / Alcantara TC3

Cup

A special edition 172 was made called the Cup. It had nothing to do with homogenisation etc as many people think it did it was a cheaper version of the 172.

Item removed include
Xenons (normal lights were installed)
Climate control (Climate control was an option on later Cups but originally it was removed and most Cups don't have it)
Lumber adjustable leather seats were removed. Normal Cloth seats were installed instead
Front head rests were chnaged from the Coma style to fixed tilt ones.
Rear 60/40 split rear bench was removed instead a fixed one piece cloth was used. No rear headrests were installed and the middle full rear belt was used instead of the full spec normal one.
The aultomatic lights and wiper were also removed
The spare wwheel was removed and a can of tyre foam was instead used.
The front side windows and windscreen were thinned and ligthen the heat resistant and UV protection was removed??????????????????????????????. This does mean that they can crack easier and many people when there replaced have them replaced with normal ones as most garages don't realise the Cup had a different spec windscreen.
Engine cover was removed.
Some soundproofing was removed
The side airbags were removed in the seats
The ABS system was removed a brake pressure valve ensure the rear brakes don't skid brake the carr to hard resultting in a skid. This is often an MOT failure however the DVLA have issued a technical note (?????????????????????????????????) to make testers aware that the Cup is unique.

All Cups are missing the drivers side door lock (for info see above none in phase 2 info).

Ligthening knocked apparently 89kg but figures are unclear as real life seems to disagree.

A lower spec interior was used (known as Mossa Dark Cloth).

The plastic surround on the speedo dials is also in mondail blue unlike the normal 172 which is painted silver.

The wheels were changed for turini ones with a different offset (38.5 vs 48 for the normal phase 2 and 43 for the phase 1) The wheels are lighter than standard ones. Also fitted to the Cups were a different rear spoiler and front splitter.

The Cups suspension was also changed new strenghtened hubs were used since the wheels were of a bigger offset plus more camber was used Also spring and damper rates were reworked with harder lb springs being used . Toe in etc was changed but see here for more details.??????????????????????. The car should be 3 mm lower due to camber changes than a full fat but tolerances arn't that tight so 3mm has no effect. The track was widened due to the wider offset wheels and the adjustment of the camber on the car.

Early Cups only came only in mondial blue (code D43) later ones had the option of silver and air con was an option but finding a Cup with aircon or in silver isn't easy.

The Cups came with different auxiliary belts though the setup was much simplified and a new alternator.

Since the Cup doesn't have ABS the gearbox was changed to a JC5 130 gearbox this was only different in that it had a speedo sensor in it. This was used to give the car its speed signal. This is therefore a problem wwith the Cups that gearbox are more difficult to get hold of since normal 172 phase 2 boxes (whilst still fitting) don't have the speedo output so the speedo doenst work.

The Cup was sold in small number on the continent as the Raigngatti (famous French Renault racing driver) although they were all LHD and had a bit more weight removed as they had no rear windscreen wiper.

There were some Cups sold from a few dealers with a LAD tunning package fitted. This gave a claimed 200hp and warrently cover (where Renault cover was removed due to the modifications) for the modified parts.

Cups did come with some little badges on the drivers door they can fall of though and bought seperate from Renault dealers

Also clear side repeaters were put into production about 2003. (from orange)

 

[maz172cup]

iv owned both phase 2, 172 and 172 cup, the cup is alot faster and somehow looks better, maybe the wheels the the nice blue colour, who cars about the A/C, its only really hot summer for about 4 weeks in the UK, can even put tints during that time....i currently own a 172 cup

 

[ForceIndia]

A lot faster? Here we go again

 

[C.J]

Wow, thanks for that detailed post.

I'll use that to make my mind up on the two!

 

[C.J]

How is the 172 and 172 Cup in comparison then? Both around the 170bhp mark, but the Cup weighs less?

 

[Eckascliovalver]

I had a 1st 2nd and 3rd gear tussle with a yellow ph1 in my cup, before de-cat and cda and i was about half a cars lenth away from him and he "claims" 185-190 horse:S ph2 ftw mate imo they look better but i do have a soft spot for the ph1's

 

[word_easy]

iv owned both phase 2, 172 and 172 cup, the cup is alot faster and somehow looks better, maybe the wheels the the nice blue colour, who cars about the A/C, its only really hot summer for about 4 weeks in the UK, can even put tints during that time....i currently own a 172 cup

Think you'll find quite alot of people care about A/C...

 

[zack40]

I think deep down, i'm in love with the Red ones, just can't admit it (does that help? )

Thanks for your replies.

I've just spoken to the insurance, and you're right, the Cup makes no difference to the normal 172. The only difference was between a 2000 (phase1 i believe) and a 2002 (phase2 i believe) and it was like £20per year.

lol your diging your self in to a hole..thats even worse