thanks to all replys, thought i may have been overlooked as this thread is common and i havent posted much, much appreciated thanks, nice to get cup/182 owners comments, i think i need to get some one to take me out in a 182, ive drove one for sale at renault in carlisle in silver and has the optional recaros but there after 11k which unless a r****d pays that there never gonna shift it, when i drove it i didnt really get to give it sum beans, but the cup, the salesman told me to floor it, loved it, i need to shift the bmw and then go on the hunt for reno, cant wait miss them dodgy electrics an all.