180bhp+ out of a 172.

[Guvna!]

I have decided to keep my 172! I love it too bits so it's staying. Now I have decided to keep it i intend on spending some money on it. I already have a stainless ktec stealth cat back exhaust and rs tuner. What else would I need to get up around 180bhp?

I was thinking decat, matched inlets and an improvement to the air filter of some sort? Is the v6 airbox still highly rated?

Cheers

 

[Andyman]

Cams will get you into the 180's, the others youve listed could do but might not

 

[fil_b]

Cams will get you into the 180's, the others youve listed could do but might not

with a map and cams you looking over 190

 

[Guvna!]

How much are cams? Fitted.

 

[Bazzon]

with a map and cams you looking over 190

Not strictly true, it depends which cams you decide to go for.

 

[Guvna!]

Well if I went down the cams route I wouldn't anything aggressive or thirsty.

Do cams not cost over a grand with a map?

 

[ForceIndia]

Why bother tbh? Won't make a drastic difference (or massively noticeable) to the speed of the car. Do some trackdays, take some tuition, and you'll be far quicker than having an extra 10bhp.

 

[fil_b]

Not strictly true, it depends which cams you decide to go for.

428's have worked for mate robs car

 

[DMS]

Why bother tbh? Won't make a drastic difference (or massively noticeable) to the speed of the car. Do some trackdays, take some tuition, and you'll be far quicker than having an extra 10bhp.

This TBH.
10bhp makes sod all difference really. You could achieve the same performance gain by taking a dump and driving about with half a tank of petrol.
IMO, you either go the whole hog and get it turbo'd, supercharged or ITB's, or leave the engine standard and concentrate more on improving the handling and your driving skills.

 

[Nick172Cup]

I'd personally get a set of matched inlets and leave the rest to trackdays as Warren said, they made a big difference on my cup. Made it feel much more responsive.

 

[Bazzon]

428's have worked for mate robs car

Yeh but there are other Cam profiles out there that will produce less BHP ect.

Tbh with Cams you are looking at +1K

By the sound of it you dont want to go to far IE, Cams/ITB, turbo ect.

So id go for, Matched inlet, A proper service, a decent panel filter. Nothing major, Depending on the rolling road and how strong your car is you may see 180 but thats not really important unless you want to brag at the pub.

Our PH1 saw good gains on Angleworks matched inlets and so did Grays.

 

[Guvna!]

I don't want to blow loads of cash on it in all honesty. I was thinking £500.

Matched inlets are £190 I believe at JMS - is there anywhere decent near the Midlands that does this?

In terms of the air setup is the v6 airbox worth the hassle? Or just a K-Tec panel in the standard box?

 

[ForceIndia]

The only place I'd get matched inlets from is Angelworks. Good luck!

 

[DMS]

JAM Sport are in Northampton. I don't know of anywhere else Midlands'ish that does the matched inlets though.

 

[fil_b]

i got ss system, matched inlets remap and you get over 180 with that

all worth while mods

 

[chrispy.clio]

Matched inlets
PTFE gaskets
V6 airbox running straight off the TB
CAF
and relocate your battery

IMO they are the cheapest mods you can do for the best power gain

 

[Guvna!]

Matched inlets
PTFE gaskets
V6 airbox running straight off the TB
CAF
and relocate your battery

IMO they are the cheapest mods you can do for the best power gain

PTFE gaskets? Can I have these done with the inlets?

How much are we talking overall for the v6 air box mod? The ducting is around £15-20, box £60 from renault or £15-20 from a scrappy then the samco elbow? How much are these? Is it best to lose the front fog and run the pipe down into that?

Do Angelworks do cs.net discount?

fil_b do you know of a decent RR in the mids or is Power Station the only decent one?

 

[cat171]

I don't want to blow loads of cash on it in all honesty. I was thinking £500.

Matched inlets are £190 I believe at JMS - is there anywhere decent near the Midlands that does this?

In terms of the air setup is the v6 airbox worth the hassle? Or just a K-Tec panel in the standard box?

I doubt £500 will get you a genuine 180bhp tbh. Standard it's probs 160bhp so 20bhp has to come from mods, which will cost a lot more than your budget.

I'd personally spend the money on learnnig how to drive it better to get the most from it, i'm not saying you can't drive it etc, but a few track lessons will help you.

 

[AndyWilde]

Hi mate,

What difference have you noticed with RS tuner? I currently have a cat back and am looking at JMS remap, but if you cant tell difference I won't bother lol!!

 

[Guvna!]

KTEC are doing the PTFE's and inlets for £245 fitted.

Any good?

 

[Guvna!]

Hi mate,

What difference have you noticed with RS tuner? I currently have a cat back and am looking at JMS remap, but if you cant tell difference I won't bother lol!!

Big difference! It drives like a completely different car. It was noticeably quicker than my mates 172 after the tuner where they were bang on level before.

 

[ForceIndia]

KTEC are doing the PTFE's and inlets for £245 fitted.

Any good?

As above, I would only go to Angelowrks.

 

[AndyWilde]

Big difference! It drives like a completely different car. It was noticeably quicker than my mates 172 after the tuner where they were bang on level before.

Oh really? This is good to know have you seen any improvement in fuel economy??

 

[Guvna!]

As above, I would only go to Angelowrks.

Reading about Angelworks it seems they have a dodgey rep. Been reading about people getting messed around etc?

 

[Guvna!]

Oh really? This is good to know have you seen any improvement in fuel economy??

It has gone up 2-3 mpg. It is a lot smoother through the rev range although the 5k kick is tuned down after the map.

 

[Fred@BTM]

ptfe is a waste of time IMO, its not thick enough to offer any real benefit

 

[Guvna!]

So Angelworks are the best for inlets? Do they need to keep my inlets or do they just swap them out?

They are not too far from here so i'll take a look.

 

[AndyWilde]

It has gone up 2-3 mpg. It is a lot smoother through the rev range although the 5k kick is tuned down after the map.

Thats not bad really, although I love the 5k kick - I guess its cuz there's more power throughout the whole rev range??

 

[Jonny1*2]

to put it into perspective mate, I had my inlets done, exhaust (and modded cat - widened exit) and ptfe gaskets and mine say 10bhp gains and 15lbft. But all that cost me a grand and I did the fitting.

 

[Guvna!]

Inlets are not exactly that expensive though are they?

£170 at Angelworks.

 

[Tom@JMS]

This TBH.
10bhp makes sod all difference really. You could achieve the same performance gain by taking a dump and driving about with half a tank of petrol.
IMO, you either go the whole hog and get it turbo'd, supercharged or ITB's, or leave the engine standard and concentrate more on improving the handling and your driving skills.

I disagree with this, in my opinion spending £400.00 on a remap, inlets, decat and a proper filter setup can comfortably give you 180.00bhp. This DOES make a difference to the car and is very economic power for the money.

The other benefits are that the car is still near standard meaning it can be sold if needs me with ease, and is still reliable/and fuel friendly/

I think its a very blinkered view to suggest that if tuning people should only spend or justify spending £4k on the work you mention above, as impressive as it is.

Just to add I'm not saying this because we don't do turbo conversions etc, its what I actually believe.

 

[Lee-182]

someone was doing matched inlets with free PTFE gaskets

 

[Tom@JMS]

ptfe is a waste of time IMO, its not thick enough to offer any real benefit

I have to agree with you fred, they are a total waste of time in my opinion; yes they lower inlet temps (by about 10-15 degress) but the air moves through the chambers of the inlet at supersonic speeds so the heat 'soak' effect is minimal, if at all.

 

[DMS]

I disagree with this, in my opinion spending £400.00 on a remap, inlets, decat and a proper filter setup can comfortably give you 180.00bhp. This DOES make a difference to the car and is very economic power for the money.

The other benefits are that the car is still near standard meaning it can be sold if needs me with ease, and is still reliable/and fuel friendly/

I think its a very blinkered view to suggest that if tuning people should only spend or justify spending £4k on the work you mention above, as impressive as it is.

Just to add I'm not saying this because we don't do turbo conversions etc, its what I actually believe.

I'm not saying spending 400 notes on the above work won't make a difference. It almost certainly will.
The way I see it though, there's not much point paying £400 for a slight power increase when to get any more out of it you'd need to spend big money anyway. Might as well just spend the big money in the first place and be £400 better off (in the long run). Rather than increasing the car's power, it may be more financially viable to just lose some weight out of the car instead. It all comes down to practicality - if I didn't need a car to be practical I'd be ripping all the unnecessary weight out of it first before spending any money tuning it.
It also depends on whether the OP intends to get more than 180bhp out of the car. If he's going to get that sort of power then stop trying to get more, then £400 is money well spent.
This is my opinion though, and is by no means an actual fact.

 

[Jonny1*2]

i see what you mean daz, can't notice the difference much in mine to be honest. Maybe in the mid range, but nothing special. removing weight will make a big i difference, but like said it's not practical for a daily drive really. Having to wear ear plugs everywhere will become annoying. Go for your racing license mate and learn along the way. We all think we can drive, but when it comes down to it, not everyone can without guidance. It makes more difference than you think. Power isn't everything (can't believe that i'm writing that :S)

 

[theduck]

Angelworks are best for inlets if you can get them.

Maybe try AP Developments as they are highly regarded for inlet work.

 

[Tom@JMS]

DMS I see what your saying and to an extent I understand, but by saying you will be £400.00 better off is probably going a bit to far lol

The issue is that 95% of the people who own the RS Clios in our community / target market that are looking to carry out Performance work on their cars are looking for reasonable power increases on a budget of usually around £500.00. This is due to many factors; often they have not had the car very long and / or being a generally young owner profile they do not have the cash to blow on them.

An interesting debate nevertheless.

 

[ForceIndia]

Tom has a point. I doubt there's many on here that have spent their hard earned on tuition (not just on track, road as well) as having something you 'physically get' for your money seems more appealing to most. It might be a good idea, but most would rather spend the money on the car, as they are interested in cars more than driving.

In that context, it's a few hundred well spent.

 

[AndyWilde]

DMS I see what your saying and to an extent I understand, but by saying you will be £400.00 better off is probably going a bit to far lol

The issue is that 95% of the people who own the RS Clios in our community / target market that are looking to carry out Performance work on their cars are looking for reasonable power increases on a budget of usually around £500.00. This is due to many factors; often they have not had the car very long and / or being a generally young owner profile they do not have the cash to blow on them.

An interesting debate nevertheless.

Tom could you fit me in for a remap before X-Mas???

 

[DMS]

Tom has a point. I doubt there's many on here that have spent their hard earned on tuition (not just on track, road as well) as having something you 'physically get' for your money seems more appealing to most. It might be a good idea, but most would rather spend the money on the car, as they are interested in cars more than driving.

In that context, it's a few hundred well spent.

I completely agree. I'm in the other camp though, I feel that for such a small gain in power the money would be better spent on learning to drive properly. Not only will it make you a better driver, but it's also a transferrable skill. Instead of spending it on a Clio that you won't necessarily get back when selling up, you could learn a skill that will stay with you for the rest of your life - whatever car you own.

EDIT: And yes, £400 better off is too far I suppose. I forgot to factor in all the costs of tyres, gearboxes, drive shafts, fuel etc that forced induction introduces :S