182 Black Gold - Yorkshire B Road Project

[Matt Cup]

You may want to have a gander in here just in case you have more issues with your spark plugs.

Spark plug timesert repair?

Well, mine did it as well, and yes, on #3 cylinder (and while checking the others, #1 didn't tighten either. I have a Facom timesert set coming (tbh it looks like the cheap ebay ones....), but hey, who can afford the Würth sets? :eek: I get the general principle, ( liberally grease the tap) but...

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[Rskennedy]

You may want to have a gander in here just in case you have more issues with your spark plugs.

Spark plug timesert repair?

Well, mine did it as well, and yes, on #3 cylinder (and while checking the others, #1 didn't tighten either. I have a Facom timesert set coming (tbh it looks like the cheap ebay ones....), but hey, who can afford the Würth sets? :eek: I get the general principle, ( liberally grease the tap) but...

cliosport.net

Thanks mate, when i screwed it back in it seemed tight and no movement so I think I have got away with it...

Am I right in thinking cylinder #3 is the third from the right?

Will see how it runs with new plugs and leads. If its still lumpy then I may need to do this but I dont think I dare attempt it myself!

 

[Mr Underhill]

Am I correct in thinking it’s 25nm torque for the spark plugs?

Correct!

 

[Mr Underhill]

Am I right in thinking cylinder #3 is the third from the right?

4,3,2,1 - 1 being nearest to the flywheel

 

[Rskennedy]

Then it is the standard cylinder #3 that has ejected itself...

Lets see if new plugs and leads gets it running normally again. If its still rough or comes out again then I will follow what @Matt Cup said and rethread it. Hopefully I get away with it though as I am not confident enough to do it myself!

 

[Brigsy]

If the new plug torques up ok should be fine. Usually come loose due to not torqued correctly.

 

[Mr Trailer Man]

Yeah if it's held the torque 25-30Nm, then it should be ok.

 

[Rskennedy]

It lives

A couple of the spark plugs were a bit corroded but all changed, cylinder 3 that ejected itself screwed in no problem and now torqued to spec. new leads and plugs and she’s back to normal.

Shout out to @FrogJam Motorsport for getting the leads to me next day. A free Freddo in the box too so I almost made my money back. Sticker added +7hp

 

[MrBlonde]

Nice to see another titanium,watching your thread.

 

[Rskennedy]

Been out in the nice weather having a tinker and making sure everything is in order for a drive out on sunday with the @CliosandCoffeeCal lot. The PBS brake pads are doing my head in, so squealy, any recommendations for some quieter pads?

I am suffering with a dodgy speedo, sometimes it reads 10mph too slow, sometimes 10mph too fast, any ideas on that?

Also noticed a bit of an oil leak coming from the gearbox which was mentioned on the MOT, I am going to presume selector shaft? I am also going to presume this is completely normal and I just need to keep topping it up every couple of months?

Looks well at least

 

[Mr Trailer Man]

If you're not going on track, just stick some stock pads in.

I never had any noise with PBS pads though.

 

[Rskennedy]

Been away but had my private plates made up to go on when I got back. Car fired up first time as well which is always nice and no serious leaks on the drive, a few drops but ordered some gearbox oil to top it up.

Pads are now squeaking all the time so I’ll get it booked in to get some fresh ones in and bed them correctly. Standard brembo is probably the way I will go.

Booked in for sports cars in the park on 4th May at newby hall and Toying with the idea of Croft on the 15th may but don’t want to break anything!

 

[Rskennedy]

Decided to top up the gearbox oil as I have a leaky seal and it was definitely beginning to feel a bit less smooth on gear changes.

I followed the hosepipe guide and was waiting for the leak out but the hosepipe created a perfect seal and muggins didn’t think to put a catch tray down…

Waste of £15 millers. But changes are now silky smooth again.

 

[Matt Cup]

Something similar happened to me, I did remember to keep a tray under though 😂

 

[bowen86]

Not sure how you managed that? Genuinely, what's the hosepipe guide?

Also, I had the same with PBS pads. Both track and race (race I assumed would) squealed all the time. I bedded them in, fitted new discs etc still squealed. Good pads though, on a track day. Not for pootling around town.

 

[the_baron_von_richthofen]

Is it even your driveway if its not covered in gearbox oil?

 

[Mr Trailer Man]

Not sure how you managed that? Genuinely, what's the hosepipe guide?

Also, I had the same with PBS pads. Both track and race (race I assumed would) squealed all the time. I bedded them in, fitted new discs etc still squealed. Good pads though, on a track day. Not for pootling around town.

Did you take the anti rattle shims out?

 

[Matt Cup]

Is it even your driveway if its not covered in oil?

EFA

I had to put a sealant down on my driveway as it was such a state due to my cars incontinence. But that above is an impressive amount to lose.

 

[the_baron_von_richthofen]

EFA

I had to put a sealant down on my driveway as it was such a state due to my incompetence. But that above is an impressive amount to lose.

EFA

Mine isnt sealed but there has been many car oils all over it.

Im shocking when it comes to catching the old oil during a service but my favourite was loosing most of the gearbox oil when the drive shaft fell out during a ball joint change!

 

[Rskennedy]

Not sure how you managed that? Genuinely, what's the hosepipe guide?

Also, I had the same with PBS pads. Both track and race (race I assumed would) squealed all the time. I bedded them in, fitted new discs etc still squealed. Good pads though, on a track day. Not for pootling around town.

Read on one of the guides to get a funnel and hose pipe to get it in the hole. Then it would leak out the hole as it was full.

However the hosepipe somehow created a perfect seal so when I pulled the pipe out it then leaked everywhere.

The pads came on the car, I’ll go back to standard brembos, probably only manage a couple of track days a year and I’m hardly senna.

 

[Rskennedy]

First track day for myself and the Clio at Oulton Park Yesterday, drove 150 miles there and back and got a few decent stints out on track.

Was pretty intimidated when people were rolling Ginettas and Radicals off trailers but once out there had a ball. ABS and ESC light came on and the speedo stuck on 60 a few laps in, exhaust has melted the bumper trims as one of the hangers has slipped, but other than that it seems to have no other issues. Car was really planted and certainly didnt "feel slow".

Some pictures from the day.

 

[Matt Cup]

Looks good out there 👍

 

[Mr Underhill]

Lovely track for Clios. Looks great.

 

[Mr Trailer Man]

Losing 1 abs sensor shouldn't kill the speedo reading as far as I know.

I've had one die at Oulton and it was fine.

 

[Rskennedy]

Losing 1 abs sensor shouldn't kill the speedo reading as far as I know.

I've had one die at Oulton and it was fine.

Cheers will get it plugged in and see what it’s saying

 

[Rskennedy]

Finally got the car back from being in the garage for a couple of weeks, they haven't had any luck getting parts. They aren't a specialist so I am not surprised but I would rather find someone nearby with a bit more knowledge, does anyone have someone comfortable with 182's in north/west yorkshire?

Full service and adjusted the exhaust so it now fits flush with the bumper.

It was indeed a couple of dud rear ABS sensors, they couldn't get a rear left to fit, so i have ordered one myself from MPH automotive, presume its an easy fit considering they already pulled the old one out, bolt it on and clip it in job?

They also said that the driveshafts leaking and they can't get the parts. Can someone point me in the right direction or as above, someone with a bit more know how?

Hoping to get everything sorted in time for another track day at Oulton Park/Croft in July.

 

[Louis]

Finally got the car back from being in the garage for a couple of weeks, they haven't had any luck getting parts. They aren't a specialist so I am not surprised but I would rather find someone nearby with a bit more knowledge, does anyone have someone comfortable with 182's in north/west yorkshire?

Full service and adjusted the exhaust so it now fits flush with the bumper.

It was indeed a couple of dud rear ABS sensors, they couldn't get a rear left to fit, so i have ordered one myself from MPH automotive, presume its an easy fit considering they already pulled the old one out, bolt it on and clip it in job?

They also said that the driveshafts leaking and they can't get the parts. Can someone point me in the right direction or as above, someone with a bit more know how?

Hoping to get everything sorted in time for another track day at Oulton Park/Croft in July.

Wheres the shaft leaking?

 

[Rskennedy]

Wheres the shaft leaking?

At the gearbox end where it joins onto the box

 

[Mr Underhill]

Shaftec are more money but they're essentially a refurbished genuine part.

You want R396L which replaces 8200372167.

You can get them easily enough, but sounds like your garage couldn’t be arsed. A common theme with these old cars.

You should be able to pick them up online, but DMFX in Darlington isn’t a million miles away and they’ve supplied me with a few over the years.

Its a shame you don’t fancy tackling the job yourself as you’ll gain good knowledge through trial and error, and it’ll save you a few quid in the long run.

I’d do it for you but I can’t be arsed either 😂

 

[Rskennedy]

New abs sensor in, took a bit of bashing to get it in but abs and esc lights are now out.
If anyone needs an ABS sensor MPH Automotive had it in stock and sent next day.

I’ve ordered both driveshafts from shaftec but don’t think I will attempt that myself. Cheers @Mr Underhill for the part numbers.

 

[Krarl]

Just keep an eye on the drivers side inner CV boot on the shaftec shafts. I've had 2 fail on me where they just unseat from the inner CV cup and then slather grease all over everything

In the end I got a Borg and Beck item, cut 10mm off the block so it doesn't catch and it's been find since *crosses fingers*

 

[Rskennedy]

@Mr Underhill @Krarl I ordered both R396L and R396R.

They just called me about R396R they said there was 3 options?! Any ideas?

 

[Krarl]

It'll be cup or non cup

On a 60mm hub 182 FFS you need a larger diameter ABS pickup ring

 

[Rskennedy]

It'll be cup or non cup

On a 60mm hub 182 FFS you need a larger diameter ABS pickup ring

yeah its a cup, thanks mate

 

[Mr Underhill]

Never heard of that one before. R396R (right-hand side) is the correct part number for your car. But as above, 44 tooth pickup ring.

 

[Rskennedy]

Thought I’d give changing the pads a go today. But got stopped in my track by the wheel stud and spacer coming off instead of the bolt…

Managed to screw it back in but I’ll probably need to do it again with loctite. I’m guessing they should be replaced regardless? I also assume it’s a pig of a job?

I did have some wheel wobble over 70mph so that explains that. Whilst I had the wheel off I did t see any leaking coming from the driveshafts so not sure why the garage has said that’s the source of my leak? All looked bone dry, leak seams to be coming from the input shaft.

 

[Krarl]

That stud will be fine if you send it back in with some loctite mate

 

[Mr Underhill]

Thought I’d give changing the pads a go today. But got stopped in my track by the wheel stud and spacer coming off instead of the bolt…

Managed to screw it back in but I’ll probably need to do it again with loctite. I’m guessing they should be replaced regardless? I also assume it’s a pig of a job?

I did have some wheel wobble over 70mph so that explains that. Whilst I had the wheel off I did t see any leaking coming from the driveshafts so not sure why the garage has said that’s the source of my leak? All looked bone dry, leak seams to be coming from the input shaft.

Over-tightening the studs can stretch and weaken them, so if you think that’s happened, it’s best to replace them, though I guess only you'd really know that for sure. Spray some brake cleaner into the hub to remove any crap. Then, apply some Loctite to the studs and tighten them to around 20 Nm. Not a difficult job.

You’d definitely see oil if it was leaking from the CV boot at the box end. It would be all over the subframe for a start. But oil moves around, so it’s better to clean everything up with brake cleaner, dry it off, take it for a run, and then see if you can pinpoint the leak more accurately.

 

[Rskennedy]

Found a new garage recommended by someone I met at a petrol pump of all places, has a 172 race car, if you are on here, hello! Got the car back after 3 weeks as we were waiting on parts.

It had
- New brakes pads all round to try stop the horrendous squeeling that never went away from the PBS pro race pads
- New track rod end as was damaged
- Full service
- New driveshaft oil seal (shout out to frogjam the ebay one never showed up and they got it out next day)
- Alignment but could probably do with a proper geo set up again now its been messed with

Oil seal has stopped the leak YAY! but I now have 2 brand new driveshafts that i spent £260 on....

While the car was being sorted they saw one of the wheels had been welded which explains my death wobble over 70. Moved that wheel to the back and balanced all the wheels but it has now made the problem worse...

Problems still to fix
- Death wobble, i need to borrow a set of 16" wheels from someone to see if the welded wheel is the cause
- Speedo still needs an exorcism, speed bounces too slow, too fast and then never returns to zero- ordered a new earth strap to see if thats it, nothing showing on OBD and sensors reading normally on live data. Failing that i will get a set of clocks out a breaker and see if that solves the problem
- Airbag light, ordered some resistors as I can't find anyone local who has CLIP and is happy to code them out
- Intermittent key not recognised issue where the light flashes and car wont start, only have 1 key so will get Timpson to cut and code a new one and see if that fixes it

Wanted to be at CSF25 this weekend but only got the car back today and its still not right enough to drive so pretty pissed off with it. Also missed a track day at croft I had planned. Heres hoping I get it right enough to do Oulton in a couple of weeks!