182 or 182 Cup

[Mwindow]

I currently drive a 53 reg. 1.2 Dynamique. Its not a bad car at all, but Im now looking for something with more performance.

What are the main differences between the 182 and 182 Cup, and which would you reconmend that I go for?

Ive seen that the Cup has lower/stiffer suspension and the front splitter, but noticed that you can have these fitted as extras from Renault. Would you guys reconmend having these fitted or buy aftermarket items from somewhere like K-Tec, etc?

 

[Lee]

Id go for a 182 with Cup pack, there isnt really a good reason to buy the 182 Cup.

 

[rcp]

^^^ agree with Lee

 

[u33db]

I dont think you get leather interior and all other goodies with the cup but then again, that didnt seem to bother the peeple who bought the original. Like for like between the two, the cup is cheaper as well isnt it?

 

[Funkyjahooner]

If you are buying a new Cup then IMO it would be mad not to pay the extra £900 or whatever it is and have almost identical performace with all the goodies.

I still dont see the point of the Cup.

 

[Lee]

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004
I dont think you get leather interior and all other goodies with the cup but then again, that didnt seem to bother the peeple who bought the original. Like for like between the two, the cup is cheaper as well isnt it?


But the original 172 Cup was different enough to make it worth buying. It was a good amount lighter which was its main selling point. The 182 Cup is just a cheap 182. Personally Id go for the 182 with Cup pack as then you have leather, climate control, xenon headlamps, auto wipers etc.

 

[Tom]

182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.

Why bother.

 

[Turkish]

For the difference in weight and cost you are better off getting a cup packd 182 better VFM imo and you get all the toys.

 

[CocoPops]

Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004


182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.

Why bother.

Good comparison there.

Fully agree, its like buying a Impreza without the turbo... theres no point.

 

[Lee]

Quote: Originally posted by CocoPops on 16 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.Why bother.[/QUOTE]Good comparison there.Fully agree, its like buying a Impreza without the turbo... theres no point.

 

[u33db]

Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004

I dont think you get leather interior and all other goodies with the cup but then again, that didnt seem to bother the peeple who bought the original. Like for like between the two, the cup is cheaper as well isnt it?

But the original 172 Cup was different enough to make it worth buying. It was a good amount lighter which was its main selling point. The 182 Cup is just a cheap 182. Personally Id go for the 182 with Cup pack as then you have leather, climate control, xenon headlamps, auto wipers etc.

No offence but as an unbiased owner (drive a valver) that its just a cheap 182 seems like a bit of snobery - at the end of the day, its got the same performance, looks the same but costs less. Depends what you want, if it was me id rather buy the cup and spend the 900 or whatever saved on something else...maybe decent seats and some performance mods - leather interior and toys arent very high on my list, going quick for as little as possible is tho...

 

[Mwindow]

From scanning the Renault site that was pretty much the conclusion I had come up with. £900 more gets you leather, better stereo, Xenons, climate control, then another £675 gets you the Cup pack and metalic paint. Doesnt really seem worth it buying the Cup, I mean who really notices 0.2 of a second to 60?

One thing though, would it be possible to have a non Cup 182 in 182 Cup red? Also what are the id paints like? Any one got any pics of the Petrol Blue?

 

[Willy Williams]

Get a 182 cup and spend the money you save on some bucket seats and a decent steering wheel.

 

[Lee]

No snobbery, Im just stating the facts. The 172 Cup was a much better drivers car over the 172, and warranted its existence more so than the 182 Cup IMO. When the Cup came out I had a 172 and would have preferred a Cup to be honest.

When they announced the 182 Cup I thought Id been shafted again, but instead its less appealing and only a little cheaper so for me the 182 with Cup packs is in the strongest position of the two.

If I was £900 short of buying a 182 Id get a 182 Cup, but for no reason other than that.

 

[Lee]

This thread has pictures of all the 182 colours:http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=13&TopicID=126814&SearchPagePosition=1&search=colour&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=13&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=SearchLink

You can specify the normal 182 in Inferno.

 

[Turkish]

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004

I dont think you get leather interior and all other goodies with the cup but then again, that didnt seem to bother the peeple who bought the original. Like for like between the two, the cup is cheaper as well isnt it?

But the original 172 Cup was different enough to make it worth buying. It was a good amount lighter which was its main selling point. The 182 Cup is just a cheap 182. Personally Id go for the 182 with Cup pack as then you have leather, climate control, xenon headlamps, auto wipers etc.

No offence but as an unbiased owner (drive a valver) that its just a cheap 182 seems like a bit of snobery - at the end of the day, its got the same performance, looks the same but costs less. Depends what you want, if it was me id rather buy the cup and spend the 900 or whatever saved on something else...maybe decent seats and some performance mods - leather interior and toys arent very high on my list, going quick for as little as possible is tho...







£900 is well worth it for the extras you get, even if you dont go down the route of arguing about the leather and climate rather than basic A/C i personally think xenons are something i wouldnt want to be without having had them now. They make a drastic improvement to your visibility at night.

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004


No offence but as an unbiased owner (drive a valver) that its just a cheap 182 seems like a bit of snobery - at the end of the day, its got the same performance, looks the same but costs less. Depends what you want, if it was me id rather buy the cup and spend the 900 or whatever saved on something else...maybe decent seats and some performance mods - leather interior and toys arent very high on my list, going quick for as little as possible is tho...





The 182 is a complete package in its own right it has its own identity because of the package it offers, taking all the little touches away and replacing them with "cheap stuff" devalues the car and the brand.

The 172 cups message was clear, it had unique wheels, unique setup and unique interior.

I feel/know that the 182 cup is a "stock clearance" device, which like it or not doesnt give the feel of the real 182.

 

[Alan]

Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004


182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.

Why bother.

Agreed!

 

[u33db]

Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 16 December 2004

£900 is well worth it for the extras you get, even if you dont go down the route of arguing about the leather and climate rather than basic A/C i personally think xenons are something i wouldnt want to be without having had them now. They make a drastic improvement to your visibility at night.

Fair enough - as i said, different people will want different things. From my viewpoint, ive modded everycar ive owned and could easily see myself doing the same if a got a 182. The £900 or so saved could fix a lot of issues i have giving me something id persoanlly enjoy more than a non-cup 182. Each to their own...

 

[Tom]

If you felt like that save yourself even more and buy a 172 cup and spend the even larger saving.

or why not buy a 16v and spend £7k......

 

[u33db]

Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004


If you felt like that save yourself even more and buy a 172 cup and spend the even larger saving.

or why not buy a 16v and spend £7k......

True but then again the 182 is the pinacle of the current clio platform, much like the williams was to the previous platform, which kinda makes it the one to have out of all the mk2 variants. Buying new, the cup would be the cheapest way to experience the performance of this edition.

 

[Tom]

Yup.

 

[JillyB]

The main reason to not buy a 182 cup is that they dont come in black!

 

[benhwolves]

Quote: Originally posted by 16vClio on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004


182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.

Why bother.

Agreed!





Load of b0ll0x 2.0 dynamique - has the dynamique got stiffer lowered suspension, 16" wheels etc etc - NO! 182 Cup is a quality motor, not only is it significantly cheaper than a standard 182, its also quicker - one of the best cars ive driven.

 

[Turkish]

I think its pretty much agreed that 172 cups arent actually any quicker than the non cup variant, and as the 182 cup has an even smaller difference in weight from its non cup version any supposed difference between the performance is even less likely.

*puts flame suit on ready for die hard Cup owners ready to flame him*

 

[CocoPops]

Quote: Originally posted by hoe261 on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by 16vClio on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 16 December 2004


182 cup = 2.0 dynamique.

Why bother.

Agreed!






Load of b0ll0x 2.0 dynamique - has the dynamique got stiffer lowered suspension, 16" wheels etc etc - NO! 182 Cup is a quality motor, not only is it significantly cheaper than a standard 182, its also quicker - one of the best cars ive driven.

I think its a case of....

Is the 182 Cup a ploy to use up end of line cheap(er) dynamique fittings? yes, of course it is. Hence the seats, steering wheel, air con unit, etc.

Thing is... its not "significantly" cheaper for the lower standard fittings.

 

[rcp]

it has a dynamique steering wheel that is bad enough!

 

[dk]

Quote: Originally posted by rcp_ on 16 December 2004

it has a dynamique steering wheel that is bad enough!

also, you can get a dynamique with climate control, cant with a 182 cup!

 

[rcp]

Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 16 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by rcp_ on 16 December 2004

it has a dynamique steering wheel that is bad enough!

also, you can get a dynamique with climate control, cant with a 182 cup!

true!

 

[Turkish]

I dont think their is anything wrong with a cup i just personally cant see the point in not buying a 182 for the difference in price. If you really cant justify or stretch to the extra then yes its a good alternative, but if you can afford the 182 then there isnt really a good arguement not to get a 182 over a cup.

 

[Lagerlout]

Spot on ^^^

I cant see the point myself either. 20kg is less than the weight of a full tank of fuel!!

Its a marketing exercise (and so was the 182 up to a point) cashing in on the sucess of the 172 Cup. The word Cup is starting to mean something in this country and has a recogniseable image - Why would Renault want to let an opportunity like that pass?

Whichever one you choose, your getting a hell of a lot of car for no money.

 

[CocoPops]

Tbh, going back to the original poster.

I cant see the point going from a dynamique to a 182 cup, you might as well just add better suspension to yours and then youre only missing the extra power everything else would be the same. Hardly a worth while upgrade.

 

[Jeremy Townsend]

The price difference on a more like-for-like basis is £1275 (once youve added the Cup suspension and spoilers to the 182).

Its not a clearance exercise for the Dynamique interior - we will sell about 25,000 Dynamiques next year, the 900 or so 182 Cups wont make much difference to the use of the interior.

 

[Lagerlout]

Oh I dont know about that (@ Cocopops). You only really appreciate how good these engines when youve had a 1.2 courtesy car for a couple of days. When I get back in mine, it feels like a fookin rocket ship!!

But if you look at what you get for an extra £900. on top of the 182 Cup price.... Climate, Xenons, Leather, decent steering wheel, Cruise Control, half-decent stereo, rear headrests etc, ita a helluva lot of stuff. Makes me think the 182 Cup should be about £9500 OTR. Now that would be a bargain!!



[Edited by lagerlout1 on 16 December 2004 at 12:48pm]

Sorry Jeremy, didnt refresh before posting - £1275.

Still get a lot of extra stuff for that!!

 

[rcp]

Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 16 December 2004

I dont think their is anything wrong with a cup i just personally cant see the point in not buying a 182 for the difference in price. If you really cant justify or stretch to the extra then yes its a good alternative, but if you can afford the 182 then there isnt really a good arguement not to get a 182 over a cup.

agree with that

 

[Ian_182]

why do they keep testing the 182 CUP against everything else then,if its not that good why is it the fastest clio bar the v6...I know we are splitting hairs here but it is the quickest and the handling is the best ever

ian

 

[admob]

Quote: Originally posted by u33db on 16 December 2004
I dont think you get leather interior and all other goodies with the cup but then again, that didnt seem to bother the peeple who bought the original. Like for like between the two, the cup is cheaper as well isnt it?


THE WHAT CAR magazine has the target price of the 182 cheaper than the cup!!! as its been out a while theres discounts to be had, the cup is new and probably rare, so the target price was the retail price!!!

 

[Bealo]

Most of you lot on here sound as if you should be driving a Volvo instead of the best hot hatch ever made.

If i wanted a car full of goodies i wouldnt be buying a Renault Clio what ever the model is!

I bought a 182 Cup to razz the pants off it and if it dies so what! Surely its about the driving pleasure that this car gives not the equipment levels!!!!!

This argument should have died by now but it hasnt and it is starting to wear thin so come on guys get a life and enjoy the real reason you bought the car for eh?

 

[Lagerlout]

Your just jealous cos you havent got any toys.

[Edited by lagerlout1 on 16 December 2004 at 1:06pm]

 

[Lee]

I got mine to get me from A to B.