Im just abou to take proud ownership of a 182 and a mate of mine with a cooper s reckons that his car is not only faster but also handles better. I think he is talking crap but anyone else have any other opinions?
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182 vs cooper s
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Im just abou to take proud ownership of a 182 and a mate of mine with a cooper s reckons that his car is not only faster but also handles better. I think he is talking crap but anyone else have any other opinions?
Ziel Nurburgring
You could get Tiff Needless to test it round a track.
Minis are slow, clios are quick. Minis handle like a fat bird on a water bed, Clios corner better than superbikes. Minis breakdown all the time, clios are renowned for their reliability. Minis have sh*t dealers, Renault goes out of their way to help you out. Clios are manly, Minis are for gays and women(and gay women, gay men in straight bodies, men who dont know their gay yet and vegetarians)
You come one clio site and ask that, what answer did expect.
I agree, having driven both the clio did feel faster. maybe ill have to lay down a bet with him and head to the track...!
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
I can give you the number of my wife if you like - ask her what she thinks of her Cooper S.
Shes half-inclined to leave the keys in it, hoping that it will be knicked....
D.
The Cooper S was in Autocars <20k hot hatch track test.
For those that didnt read it the Clio won and the Cooper S was no where.
If I remember correctly Autocar even commented that the Cooper S seemed a quicker than others they had driven and I got the impression they were hinting that BMW had perhaps increase the psi of their demo car?
ex Clio 172 owner :(
in my experience against both, I can slightly ease ahead of CooperSs but not quite with 172s never mind 182.
My vts handles better than all though.
Boxster S
Ive just brought a 182 after test driving a Cooper S about 3 hours before hand, the mini just felt heavy and slower.
The Clio is a much better hot hatch, how much difference do a few tenths of a second to 60 actually make?
DC5
I had a Mini Cooper before my 172 Cup, and have driven the Cooper S. The Clio is quicker, no doubt about that, but the Mini did handle very well. I find the clio handles well but is a bit twitchy, but I think that is cos I dont know how far I can push it as I havent had it on a track yet like I did with the Cooper S. Thats where you find out the limit of the car.
Id still have the clio over the cooper s n e day though!
Quote: Originally posted by Chris1.4RT on 11 May 2005
in my experience against both, I can slightly ease ahead of CooperSs but not quite with 172s never mind 182.
My vts handles better than all though.
Well, having very recently moved over from a VTS to a 182 with CUP suspension, Ill pick up on that last line. Im still getting used to the 182 but the thing that struck me most so far is that it feels like it has much more grip than my VTS (which is wearing newish Michelin Pilot Exaltos).
Im not yet convinced the 182 is quite as agile as the Saxo but Ill wait until Im a bit more tuned to the car before Im sure, and of course if youve just spent squillions of quid rebuilding the suspension on your car then all bets are off.
[Edited by Serif on 5/11/2005 2:23:05 PM]
Just to add some information. the current Cooper S is 200BHP and the S works version is 210BHP. Even though it has more power the mini is a lard bucket so IMO i believe the 182 would win.
the 210 hp mini is a beast in the midrange though coming in at 5.4 secs 30-70 !! however thats a 23k supermini with all the cash spent pushing the puny 1.6 upto that almost maximum reliable power (able to take over 100,000miles of use etc..) only a very few people will fork out for the 210hp full john cooper s works so for 99% of the time you can be faster than any mini one,cooper,cooper s,cooper s works 200,
thing is the 182 can do a simular 30-70 hehe and with some tweaks can outpower lots of expensive cars so you made a wise choice imo.
also like to add ive had a verfied 6.2 to 60 in my 172
after some serious clutch dumpage and some great traction + on a 1/4 tank so beat that !When the first Works upgrades came out they were at 200BHP. BMW then purchased the rights to use the upgrades in the standard Cooper S. The Works pack was then changed to give an upgrade to 210BHP, not much extra BHP, but the increase in torque was pretty good
Not read the rest of this, but will add my 2ps worth.
I used to have a Cup with Panel filter and scorpion exhaust. My best mate has/had a Cooper S works. We were going in Convo to a party along a racing circuit (that is similar to B roads) we both know very well, we are both of a similar level of driving.
Around the bends there was nothing in it, i didnt gain, but he didnt pull away and we were both going for it.
From low speeds to about 80, there was nothing in it again, just who ever put their foot down first. Above 80 i pulled on him very easily and kept having to shove on the anchors. He was mightly impressed and a little pissed off that his 22k car couldnt pull away from my 10k car. Prefer the look of the Clio also.
I think a standard Cooper S is about Valver performance (i.e. low 20s to the ton), which is plenty to keep a 172/182 in sight - but certainly not enough to pass one. Autocar fanned the flames by saying the 172 Cup was in another performance league to the MCS, but still, is that what its all about?
The killer issue for the Cooper S is its price. Its an excellent hot hatch and probably the most direct competitor to the 172/182, given the size - but spec one up with some basics like air con and the price leaps. I think a comparably specd Cooper S runs to £17.5k, with little prospect of a discount. Youd get a 182 for £5k less quite easily.
Id very seriously be interested in a Cooper S (esp. one with the Works package), but theyre simply too expensive new, or used for that matter. I dont think you could even pick up a similar age Mini One for the price of an equaivalent used 172. Ill wait and see how good the new Mk3 Renaultsport is, but its likely to make a much better case for itself over a used MCS.
ex Clio 172 owner :(
Quote: Originally posted by Serif on 11 May 2005
Well, having very recently moved over from a VTS to a 182 with CUP suspension, Ill pick up on that last line. Im still getting used to the 182 but the thing that struck me most so far is that it feels like it has much more grip than my VTS (which is wearing newish Michelin Pilot Exaltos).
Im not yet convinced the 182 is quite as agile as the Saxo but Ill wait until Im a bit more tuned to the car before Im sure, and of course if youve just spent squillions of quid rebuilding the suspension on your car then all bets are off.
[Edited by Serif on 5/11/2005 2:23:05 PM]
The last line was just a tongue in cheek remark to spark reaction!
DC5
Yeah it is the price of the Mini that lets it down. I gave my Cooper back to the garage when I got my clio (b*s*a*d* only gave me 11K for it), and they put it up on the fourcourt for 13K. It was a year old with 26,000miles on the cklock. OK it did have a load of extras on it, and cost close to 15K new, but 13K for a second hand car that doesnt even compete with the clio is just stupid. I priced a new Cooper S up and it came to about 17.5K
would you like to see what my cup did to a cooper s?
http://www.thebigsleep.co.uk/upload/y0z2a_coopers_killing.wmvhttp://www.thebigsleep.co.uk/upload/y0z2a_coopers_killing.wmv
:-D
have mudered works cars in the past.
Went to a mini2 day at brunty with fred and roamer, and it was hilarious, as we mullered the lot of them.
/y0z
Clio 200 Cup
Hahaha did the mini driver forget where he was and have a flashback to his driving test?!
R
rich[182]
think cooper s maybe has the edge in 3rd, 4th and 5th when booting from low rpm but whod be doing that if you were taking one on ?
