197/225 megane engine conversion

[DrifteR197]

i mean dropping a engine from a megane into a 197
dont know if it sounds stupid, dont too me
would it make sense? has it been done before?
or if i was to get hold of a second hand (from a salvaged megane) turbo, manifold, i/c etc... would it bolt on to the 197 engine? would cost alot?

 

[E11OOT]

it would cost alot

you would need to fabricate alot of parts yourself

megane engine would be expensive

doubt it has been done before as the cost would be rather high

 

[Michael172]

has ktec not got a turbo conversion in the pipeline ?

or someone else.

 

[Bodge!]

k-tec have turbo'd a 172

and im not sure bout the meg

 

[Mark One]

iirc the issue with a 225 into a 172 was the gearbox. The 172 gearbox won't fit the 225 engine. So I don't know how big the MK3 engine bay is. Maybe it's an option.

Engines are not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. more than F4Rs yes.

fred has played with a meggy engine

 

[Fred@BTM]

and failed LOL

but i've had an idea!

 

[DrifteR197]

i looked into throttle bodies and that £5000 plus, turbo's gonna be more than that probs £1500 more than trottle bodies, also am i right to believe you only get around 40-50 bhp from throttle bodies??? which would be 237-247bhp, a remapped meg 225 gives 257 bhp from the standard engine, now uprated i/c, decat exhaust induction etc and ul have more. maybe im dreaming.
i wouldnt have thought a meg engine complete would be more than a £2-3k??? but then i have no idea lol, and engine swap and getting it up and running my mate would do for me with my hand very very cheap, any ideas wot a 197 lump wpould be worth???

 

[Mark One]

and failed LOL

but i've had an idea!

tell tell tell tell :star:

 

[Mark One]

i looked into throttle bodies and that £5000 plus, turbo's gonna be more than that probs £1500 more than trottle bodies, also am i right to believe you only get around 40-50 bhp from throttle bodies??? which would be 237-247bhp, a remapped meg 225 gives 257 bhp from the standard engine, now uprated i/c, decat exhaust induction etc and ul have more. maybe im dreaming.
i wouldnt have thought a meg engine complete would be more than a £2-3k??? but then i have no idea lol, and engine swap and getting it up and running my mate would do for me with my hand very very cheap, any ideas wot a 197 lump wpould be worth???

I would say you'd be lucky to get 230 out of a 197 on ITBs.
A meggy engine is better, but if your going that far......why not go a step further and buy a 20v turbo? you need the AGU block preferably from a MK4 gti or A3, then fit yourself the audi TT turbo setup and shes good for 275 bhp, 320 on a bigger turbo.
Pretty sure you'd need custom mounts for the 225 anyway.

 

[bmh.01]

Box will fit as they both use an ND0 box, mount wise they may be similar but I haven't looked at a 197 bay in detail. Very much doubt its worth it, sell up and buy a megane if you want turbo power.

 

[Iridium]

I am praying to all gods that Renault release a Clio 230 with the Meg 230 engine and LSD. It would be so god damn awesome.

But for now, if you really want the Meggy engine, you'll have to buy a Meggy. Not that that's a particulary bad thing of course! Personally prefer the 197, but 2nd hand, the Meg 230 has hit sub £13k here and there, at like 1-2 years old. That's awesome VFM, and they're good cars too.

Dan

 

[bmh.01]

Never going to happen though tbh, it'd make the 197 quicker than the megane which will never happen.

 

[Peperami]

i looked into throttle bodies and that £5000 plus, turbo's gonna be more than that probs £1500 more than trottle bodies, also am i right to believe you only get around 40-50 bhp from throttle bodies??? which would be 237-247bhp, a remapped meg 225 gives 257 bhp from the standard engine, now uprated i/c, decat exhaust induction etc and ul have more. maybe im dreaming.
i wouldnt have thought a meg engine complete would be more than a £2-3k??? but then i have no idea lol, and engine swap and getting it up and running my mate would do for me with my hand very very cheap, any ideas wot a 197 lump wpould be worth???

If you've got that much money for a faster car... id sell the 197 and buy a faster car!

Once you take the value of the clio, plus the money on tuning... thats a hell of a car you could be buying.

 

[Iridium]

Never going to happen though tbh, it'd make the 197 quicker than the megane which will never happen.

Nah I very much doubt it as well

Shame, I reckon it'd be awesome heh. And if it had some sort've VAG DSG, but not Renault, Nissan sourced so it was reliable That'd be one hell of a car IMHO.

 

[Matteh]

Never going to happen though tbh, it'd make the 197 quicker than the megane which will never happen.

then they'll have to release a megane v6.... turbo

 

[DrifteR197]

its not "if ive got that much money get a better faster car", its about creating your own car if you can afford it, and i have got a faster car any way, i just love the way the 197 looks, and like iridium said its a shame renault would never realse a clio230. any way i did say i was probs dreaming lol, il have to wait and see what my finace situation is like in 6 months time as my rx7 engine is going off for a rebuild begining of august

 

[sideways danny]

I think it can be done in relative simplicity, there's certainly enough room for the turbo, and i'd say the bay even looked like it was designed to take the turbo then downgraded so not to compete with the megane. I've looked more and more closely each time we've had a meggy and a 197 in and I really want someone to ask for the conversion. Decent intercooler and not messing with trying to use standard management would be vital IMO.

 

[Gaz_]

i think it would be easier than you think. Looking around the 197, its shares alot of parts from the meggy..... it would be ALOT easier imo than trying to shove one in a MK2 shell. Go for it, dont turbo the 197 lump, doesnt make sense

 

[ForceIndia]

TBH why bother? Just spend a little bit extra and get the R26. Quicker, better handling.

 

[Gaz_]

.... not if a r26 engine and box coulnd be sourced. If it pretty much drops in, it would make the Clio a right weapon tbh

 

[ashy_gtt]

I'm currently helping one of the local RTOC lads fit a 225 lump in his R5, if it'll go in there anythings possible

Its currently sitting in the engine bay nicely, saying that we had to machine and fabricate a number of components to get it in there and he is still fabricating the manifold to take the twin scroll blower...

Still it should go well and be nice and reliable once done!!

Plus the conversions been done for well under any of the numbers you guys are throwing around :dead:

 

[ForceIndia]

But worth the cost/hassle? I agree would be awesome, but if you threw the same amount of cash at an R26 it would be better still?

 

[lemonnobby]

Box will fit as they both use an ND0 box, mount wise they may be similar but I haven't looked at a 197 bay in detail. Very much doubt its worth it, sell up and buy a megane if you want turbo power.

the 197 uses the TL4 box

 

[Mark One]

But worth the cost/hassle? I agree would be awesome, but if you threw the same amount of cash at an R26 it would be better still?

IMO it's not about the cost hassle. I've got an "iron in the fire" so to speak and it's only half because I want the car at the end. The other half is the satisfaction of having built the thing. If it's never been done before, the rewards are only better. A 250 bhp meggy engined 197 would be the quickest 197 on the planet atm i would expect.

Cash spend can range VASTLY depending on how it's done, How well it's done, and the amount that can be DIYed

 

[Matteh]

I'm currently helping one of the local RTOC lads fit a 225 lump in his R5, if it'll go in there anythings possible

Its currently sitting in the engine bay nicely, saying that we had to machine and fabricate a number of components to get it in there and he is still fabricating the manifold to take the twin scroll blower...

Still it should go well and be nice and reliable once done!!

Plus the conversions been done for well under any of the numbers you guys are throwing around :dead:

is this the same one that used to have a 200bhp C1J in it? (now in rons clio)

is there a progress thread?



is it possible to put a megane head (+turbo) on a 197 F4R or even a 1*2 F4R?

 

[ashy_gtt]

I'm currently helping one of the local RTOC lads fit a 225 lump in his R5, if it'll go in there anythings possible

Its currently sitting in the engine bay nicely, saying that we had to machine and fabricate a number of components to get it in there and he is still fabricating the manifold to take the twin scroll blower...

Still it should go well and be nice and reliable once done!!

Plus the conversions been done for well under any of the numbers you guys are throwing around :dead:

is this the same one that used to have a 200bhp C1J in it? (now in rons clio)

is there a progress thread?



is it possible to put a megane head (+turbo) on a 197 F4R or even a 1*2 F4R?

Aye thats the one m8!

There isn't a progress thread as RTOC fell over and i don't think he has started one on the new site... There would be no point fitting the 225 head as far as I'm aware, it would be mainly the internals you would want...

The beauty of his conversion is he hasn't needed to split the engine and machine pistons etc as I did, so it may be more reliable at stock boost

 

[Martin_172]

space wise i can see it fitting as it squeezes in a 172 bay only problem being the gearbox size, but it should fit in a 197

BUT... the cost will be huge, and why butcher a fairly new car fitting a different engine, maby its just me but id sell up and buy the quicker car in the first place!

 

[172boost]

If the expense isn't an issue then get on with it! What an awesome idea, be great if you could pull it off.

 

[jonnyshaw89]

Making a FWD clio with more that 220 BHP would not be a good idea!
In theory cars with more than about 220 BHP to the front wheels would be a nightmare to control. this is why most manufacturers wanting to go over this limit will use RWD insted. that is why none of the small cars really go over this limit. for example the golf, when they went over 220 BHP with the R32 then made it 4WD.

 

[Fred@BTM]

^ don't tell that to not normal, he has 500bhp in his FWD clio!

 

[Dash]

and failed LOL

but i've had an idea!

Putting in the front of your vee will be very interesting.

 

[Iridium]

Making a FWD clio with more that 220 BHP would not be a good idea!
In theory cars with more than about 220 BHP to the front wheels would be a nightmare to control. this is why most manufacturers wanting to go over this limit will use RWD insted. that is why none of the small cars really go over this limit. for example the golf, when they went over 220 BHP with the R32 then made it 4WD.

Maybe in the past, but with the advances in tyres and suspension etc, and the use of diffs and electronics - that isn't the case anymore.

From your own example, there is the 230bhp Golf GTi Edition30, not to mention the Megane 230, Seat Leon Cupra 240bhp, Astra VXR 240bhp, a string of FWD 250bhp Alfas, a string of Saabs with 230-260bhp, Vectra VXR 280bhp, the new 290bhp Ford Focus RS.

Upping the power in the Clio to 230 wouldn;t make it undriveable, the chassis could easily cope.

Dan

 

[jonnyshaw89]

but that sounds like alot of work to go into having that much power in a car this small.
when you could prob put the money towards buying a megane 255

 

[Gaz_]

Its not small though, its pretty much meggy size....... It shares the same suspension set up as the meggy 225 (double axis wishbones) already, these were used to combat torque steer. With them already fitted, and a decent chassis, it'll easily take the extra grunt

 

[Iridium]

^^^
And have less weight...