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197 R27 Questions
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No offense fella, but you seem to come up with a new car idea on a weekly basis.
I'd not go for the cup. The dash is horrible. I drove one with a couple of hundred miles on it. It looked nasty then. If you dont like your mk2 looking crap I'd hate to think what it would look like in 5 years etc.. Reminded me of a Ford Ka dash.
I'd not go for the cup. The dash is horrible. I drove one with a couple of hundred miles on it. It looked nasty then. If you dont like your mk2 looking crap I'd hate to think what it would look like in 5 years etc.. Reminded me of a Ford Ka dash.
Shed.
Yep i do. And all the info you give me will help me make a desicion. But its like i said to revels, its nice to know that i can piss so many people i dont know off.
Brett
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172 Cup, M2 and MCS
At least the modorator is a member of the club rather than a forum user
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
Are you aware how small the differences are in the two gearboxes?
Hardly a big difference. The shorter box is more suited to the car IMHO, one of the reasons I chose an R27 over a new FF or Cup. It feels a little peppier in the top two gears, but not much of course. I'd be surprised if it actually made a difference to the MPG above a placebo effect - because once you're trying to see better MPG, you'll automatically be more gentle. 300 miles from a tank is easy, I was getting 380 on our road trip, doing long rungs. Remember it's a bigger tank though as well.
And the new CTR is a great car, not much of a 'hot hatch' though IMHO, more of a GT, long distance cruiser. Very composed, very capable, but very sanitised compared to the first one as well. Also, I hate the stupid 'all or nothing' trim levels - GT has everything, or none-GT has nothing and is impossible to re-sell heh.
Try a Corsa VXR. Put your standard Cliosport prejudices aside, and forget everything you've heard from idiots that have never driven one on here, then go test one. I guarantee you'll be surprised how good it is.
Dan
Hardly a big difference. The shorter box is more suited to the car IMHO, one of the reasons I chose an R27 over a new FF or Cup. It feels a little peppier in the top two gears, but not much of course. I'd be surprised if it actually made a difference to the MPG above a placebo effect - because once you're trying to see better MPG, you'll automatically be more gentle. 300 miles from a tank is easy, I was getting 380 on our road trip, doing long rungs. Remember it's a bigger tank though as well.
And the new CTR is a great car, not much of a 'hot hatch' though IMHO, more of a GT, long distance cruiser. Very composed, very capable, but very sanitised compared to the first one as well. Also, I hate the stupid 'all or nothing' trim levels - GT has everything, or none-GT has nothing and is impossible to re-sell heh.
Try a Corsa VXR. Put your standard Cliosport prejudices aside, and forget everything you've heard from idiots that have never driven one on here, then go test one. I guarantee you'll be surprised how good it is.
Dan
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
You might not have the new gearbox, has to be a build date after October '08 - the only R27s with it are, iirc, numbers 480 upwards? What number is yours? I deffo don't heh, 07 number 57 here
I have never been sat on the motorway and thought "gosh it's noisy in here" - because that particular overhyped point is really just b****cks. Mind you though, I am coming from a K-Tec'ed Mk1 Vee.I've seen figures from 3 rollered 197s, with a good few miles on, that have made between 200-202bhp. And take a hit when he tries to chop it in? 99% of the market/public won't have a clue that the gearbox was revised. Only hardcore Clio geeks on here have a clue about that, and no one on here will be buying it because everyone expects about 20% off the going rate...
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Hmm weird that..my standard R27 with 6k on the clock put on 198.6bhp on the rollers at Faulkland Performance back in Feb this year..
Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
The 197s seem to consistantly be making their power, but there have been reports of some low miles ones that haven't. It's not like not making book power would be a new thing for a RenaultSport Clio however.
I'm not sure what the power to weight comment meant, do you dislike all RS Clios? It has 164 - same as a 182, more than a 172, less than a 172 Cup, 170 iirc. But it does have a lot more safety gubbins etc, which is unfortunately the way it goes these days. People want to see a 5 star car, but a 5 star car is a heavy car. Hence why it has more power to compensate for that. Yet it still managed to have brilliant handling and stopping power.
Anyway, that's not what this thread is about. You're not even a paid member, have you signed up just to troll and try and cause arguments, with your lack of knowledge and made up facts?
I feel I should point out as well, in my post up there it mentions the 197, with the old box, has a top speed acheived at 7,074rpm - I can confirm you can get over that, closer 7,300rpm on the flat hehe, and I bet it would hit the limiter downhill
I'm not sure what the power to weight comment meant, do you dislike all RS Clios? It has 164 - same as a 182, more than a 172, less than a 172 Cup, 170 iirc. But it does have a lot more safety gubbins etc, which is unfortunately the way it goes these days. People want to see a 5 star car, but a 5 star car is a heavy car. Hence why it has more power to compensate for that. Yet it still managed to have brilliant handling and stopping power.
Anyway, that's not what this thread is about. You're not even a paid member, have you signed up just to troll and try and cause arguments, with your lack of knowledge and made up facts?
I feel I should point out as well, in my post up there it mentions the 197, with the old box, has a top speed acheived at 7,074rpm - I can confirm you can get over that, closer 7,300rpm on the flat hehe, and I bet it would hit the limiter downhill
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Former R27 & Mk1 V6 owner
Well I've answered all your questions and posted a s**t load of info heh, hope I've been of some help dude!
If you put someone on your ignore list, does it mean that you don't see their posts? I never knew that, I just thought it meant they couldn't PM you....
If you put someone on your ignore list, does it mean that you don't see their posts? I never knew that, I just thought it meant they couldn't PM you....
Shed.
nope cant read posts, you know its there, but you can read them.
Been loadsa help mate thanks.
How do you find it on fuel, driven normally obviously. Youll have to take me round ollys mount in the R27 sometime
Show me what theyre like.
Been loadsa help mate thanks.
How do you find it on fuel, driven normally obviously. Youll have to take me round ollys mount in the R27 sometime
Show me what theyre like.
Shed.
Just been out to test drive the new ctr gt and the cup.
Cup is shitty interior but i must admit its got a good amount of torque and the ctr seems to be faster but has slightly less torque. Ctr is a better car and is less of a toy like the clio, it pulls very well outside of vtec lol i dont know why people say its crap.
Clio is more grounded and seems to stick to the road where as the Ctr is still a bumpy ride but doesnt seem as tort around bends.
They are like chalk and cheese. I prefer the CTR in some retrospects but the 197 in others.
Cup is shitty interior but i must admit its got a good amount of torque and the ctr seems to be faster but has slightly less torque. Ctr is a better car and is less of a toy like the clio, it pulls very well outside of vtec lol i dont know why people say its crap.
Clio is more grounded and seems to stick to the road where as the Ctr is still a bumpy ride but doesnt seem as tort around bends.
They are like chalk and cheese. I prefer the CTR in some retrospects but the 197 in others.
Shed.
agers yet lol. im in no hurry, could be another 14 months yet it all depends
Shed.
Depends what i can afford mate.
Will be between an R27 or a new CTR GT. I prefer the CTR tbh. But ive got a lot of saving to do.
Will be between an R27 or a new CTR GT. I prefer the CTR tbh. But ive got a lot of saving to do.
