1990 miles to decide - engine tuning

[Nafoff]

well i am due my 72k service in 1990 miles time, so i want to prep for that.

My thoughts have been that because its a major service (and i believe) my timing belt service i thought i would get some engine work done to tune it up a bit.

i have had some ideas, and spoke to a few members and my thoughts so far are.

Cup alternator set-up / no air-con (only need cup bracket for this)
Cams (advised by another member)
a remap
match inlets

my 172 only has mild tuning parts at the moment, ie a itg panel filter and decat + catback stainless exhaust.

i would truly appreciate anymore ideas / knowledge to help me make my decision prior to the 1990 miles left creeps up on me

 

[caister]

Removing the power steering and replacing it with an electric or fully manual rack is suppossed to free things up a bit as well.

 

[Gray]

You will need all the associated "cup" brackets and a cup alternator, if you wish to lose the aircon

Cams are a good idea at cambelt time, but you are looking at £700 for a set of catcams iirc?!

 

[Nafoff]

You will need all the associated "cup" brackets and a cup alternator, if you wish to lose the aircon

Cams are a good idea at cambelt time, but you are looking at £700 for a set of catcams iirc?!

have the alternator dude....meaning i just need the bracket...wee???

 

[ben_p]

The cup alternator is not the same.

IMO dont do it, its alot of wonger for 20hp. Trust me I know what it feels like after you get used to the power and you think 'meh'

My current one has cost me 9k to get to 240hp and Im thinking of selling it LOL!

 

[stan*]

Have you had it mapped then Ben?

Ph-reebone, cams, modified inlets and remap is a good call.

 

[ben_p]

Have you had it mapped then Ben?

Ph-reebone, cams, modified inlets and remap is a good call.

Negitive, mybad for quoting 240 lol but two cars made that with the same spec.

I've kinda lost intrest tbh, too busy looking at Bi-turbo conversions for the .:R32

 

[Nafoff]

The cup alternator is not the same.

IMO dont do it, its alot of wonger for 20hp. Trust me I know what it feels like after you get used to the power and you think 'meh'

in what respect chap?

my aircon doesn't work after the badger ate it a while back, and i don't / wouldn't use it anyways.

as far as i knew, all i needed was the alternator and the bracket, the pipe can be reused with a bit of tinkering.

Have you had it mapped then Ben?

Ph-reebone, cams, modified inlets and remap is a good call.

blast from the past stan, past of the valver days.....hope all is well, is the inlets something apd could do?

 

[stan*]

blast from the past stan, past of the valver days.....hope all is well, is the inlets something apd could do?

Yup I can do inlets, cams, re-flash of ecu.

email me info@ap-developments.com for a quote pal. or call 01639 845009

 

[Nafoff]

will be in-touch stan

i am surprised more people haven't commented with advice in this thread...more ides etc

 

[Jay Payne]

Depending on budget.....


Cams with belt change. Matched inlets and de-aircon. If you can stretch to it switch to omex management and your ready for bodies at a later date

OR if your flush

Cambelt change and 'charge the bugger

 

[Nafoff]

i was hoping you would be along at somepoint....i appreciate your wise words

you seem to know what i am thinking...lol

 

[Gray]

mmmmm... boost

 

[Fred@BTM]

Negitive, mybad for quoting 240 lol but two cars made that with the same spec.

I've kinda lost intrest tbh, too busy looking at Bi-turbo conversions for the .:R32

remind me which 2?

 

[ben_p]

yoz and the cup at gdi

 

[Fred@BTM]

it made 225bhp when gdi built it, then had another rebuild with a few different bits and did a chunk more, new block, higher comp and some other bits

 

[ben_p]

sweet, but it made 240 in the end?

Mine will prob make about 200 anyway lol.. meh.

 

[Nafoff]

so who are my options for fitting the cams and inlet work?

apd
...
...

 

[Gray]

APD

K-tec

AWT

GDI

TBH... any "reputable" garage/Renault specialist with the correct timing tools should be able to fit cams!?

 

[Nafoff]

yer...just want to make sure all the inlets etc can be done at the same time

 

[sideways danny]

We can do inlets at the same time as cams

 

[Nafoff]

will be in touch danny

 

[Tom]

Removing the power steering and replacing it with an electric or fully manual rack is suppossed to free things up a bit as well.

Thats a very bad idea.

 

[Nafoff]

not touching the steering.....its fine as is..although burp's mech is awesome...genius

 

[sideways danny]

Thats a very bad idea.

Why? it works really well. 197 has an electic PAS pump

 

[TooneySonic]

Just dump the PAS altogether, i have and now that i'm used to the weighting i love it!

Fit a shorter aux belt and bypass the PAS pump, simples

Could even sell you PAS hoses and make a little money too

Cams - they are great and make the car much stronger at the top end, combined with a remap and matched inlets i gained 20bhp (went from 156 to 177 at the time) Although the car is pretty much the same as standard till 5k power wise

 

[Carlos Fandango]

The cup alternator is not the same.

IMO dont do it, its alot of wonger for 20hp. Trust me I know what it feels like after you get used to the power and you think 'meh'

My current one has cost me 9k to get to 240hp and Im thinking of selling it LOL!

Take heed of the above, get some good suspension, brakes and tyres and spend the rest on proper tuition at track days, your car will be much quicker!

 

[Nafoff]

cheers for the advice guys, but i already have the suspension and rubber, new brakes going on imminently as also have them, already got the alternator also

any other opinions people?

 

[ForceIndia]

Super cup inlet? Predicted to make similar power to ITB's, but much cheaper?
(Just an option, no need for the fanboys to start)

 

[Gray]

I suppose the question would be.... What is your budget?

You will be looking around £1000 for fitment of cams/belt change I imagine?

Inlet work £200'ish?

Remap £250 - £300?

 

[bing_17]

Super cup inlet? Predicted to make similar power to ITB's, but much cheaper?
(Just an option, no need for the fanboys to start)

Was going to say this too.

 

[Nafoff]

I suppose the question would be.... What is your budget?

You will be looking around £1000 for fitment of cams/belt change I imagine?

Inlet work £200'ish?

Remap £250 - £300?

thats what this thread was about really, to get ideas, i need to messgae the various people for info

 

[Gray]

Or.....


K-tec ITB conversion £2450 all in, with our discount!?

The noise of bodies is worth that BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRP

 

[ForceIndia]

Or.....


K-tec ITB conversion £2450 all in, with our discount!?

The noise of bodies is worth that BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRP

When the inlet is released, going from whats been said, you could get it fitted with cams for that money. But, obviously until it's released it's impossible to talk bhp etc.

 

[Gray]

true true....

I am eagerly awaiting on the super cup inlet manifold!!

Has Matt "run it in" yet?!

 

[ForceIndia]

true true....

I am eagerly awaiting on the super cup inlet manifold!!

Has Matt "run it in" yet?!

Not sure fella, I know that with all the motorsport stuff he's uber busy at the moment. I think after the spam-fest that the last thread became they'll keep it under wraps until it's ready for sale.

 

[Nafoff]

Or.....


K-tec ITB conversion £2450 all in, with our discount!?

The noise of bodies is worth that BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRP

something to possibly look into......

 

[Bluebeard]

After seeing GDI's/Jesus's supercharged thing, that is the ONLY way forward.

Hybrid will be sporting one of those soon!!!

 

[Nafoff]

supercharged dan????

well i initially thought about cams and inlets with the possible thpught of going into heavier tuning in the future...its oh so confusing...lol

and the miles are ticking away

 

[Nafoff]

have started speaking to some people, so many different routes though

still need the cup alternator bracket too