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280bhp scooby vs track set-up 172



Jamesstone

Jamesstone

  e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
Now there has always been a "my car is faster than yours" conversation between me & my mate & up till lately i've been the quicker one :clap:

But he's just sent me a link through to a scooby he's buying... dam i think i may be getting my arse handed to me big time lol but since are "tests" dont usally involve the tripple figures i think i may stand a chance! so heres the specs, what do you pro's reckon

Clio Ph2 172 track prep'd - 190bhp ish weighing 1000kg's

Scooby Sti replica 280bhp - weighing 1,500kgs ish

So whats the out come to the tripple figures? obviously the scooby will leave my clio over the tripple figures but where would i be on a rolling start of say 15/20 up till 100? on a private test track of course ;)

James
 
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Nigel

  A4 Avant
I think rolling starts he'd probably pull quite easily. Standing start you might stand more of a chance.
 
Bluebeard

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Rolling start, i'd say the scoob will spank you to be honest.

Jus make sure there is a couple of roundabouts on the journey, then watch him understeer straight into a ditch.

Or you could out-brake him, as Scoobs brakes are w4nkadoodle do.
 
Jamesstone

Jamesstone

  e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
Noooooo :dapprove: .. hate launch starting my 172, thought 4WD would be quicker off the line any ways:S
 
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Nigel

  A4 Avant
Plus he may not be willing to launch his violently being new, whereas I presume you'll give yours death off the line. lol.
 
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Munday

ClioSport Club Member
  RB 182, 1275GT, C220
The scooby will hand you your arse...

My sister has a 53 plate WRX which is about 260bhp (I think) and it leaves my 182 for dust every time!
 
.J.a.m.e.s.

.J.a.m.e.s.

  Yozza'd Titanium 182
yeah, seriously scooby doo will absolutely abuse you i have been in both and the scoobys so fast it makes ur stomach go

0 - 20 you will win
second gear boom hes gone!
 
Jamesstone

Jamesstone

  e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
f**k it, i've wanted throttle bodies for a while now :evil: ... I wish lol.. or even better 300bhp turbo clio :cool:
 
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Paul RN

Well based on the figured you've quoted, he has 189.66 BHP per ton. You have 193.05 BHP per ton.

But the problem is usability of that power, it will also be far easier to drive a 4 wheel drive car faster than a fwd. I suspect as well he will have a heck of a lot of torque.

I'd say theres not much in it on a track and the biggest different will be the skill of the drivers.
 
Gaz_

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
.J.a.m.e.s. said:
yeah, seriously scooby doo will absolutely abuse you i have been in both and the scoobys so fast it makes ur stomach go

0 - 20 you will win
second gear boom hes gone!
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Be better against the scoob in a 1.6 apparently, as there's not much difference between that and a 172 ;)
 
Jamesstone

Jamesstone

  e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
Right then, i'll tell him i have matured & we should carry out our tests in the safest place possible - the track :rasp: :cool:

Seriuosl note, i think i will avoid a spirited drive with him then:dapprove:
 
Merk

Merk

  123D Coupe + MK1 MX5
Who said the scoob would understeer at a roundabout?


4wd rally car no? handles like it's on tracks no?
 
bendee

bendee

  Rb182cup+s2 rallye
.J.a.m.e.s. said:
0 - 20 you will win
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asif 4wd giving it beans from the off and itll pull from the start and not stop pulling away simple as that really clios are quick little cars but the only chance you have of staying with him is rolling and with him off boost so you can get the edge even then its just a matter of time till he comes by you.

on the corners tho you should stay with it ive done it plenty of times it aint hard.
 
Bluebeard

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Merk said:
Who said the scoob would understeer at a roundabout?


4wd rally car no? handles like it's on tracks no?
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Nope.

I've owned a MY99 Uk subaru and a UK300 MY01 and they both understeer like a b**ch. I'm talking MASSIVE understeer mind!!
 
M

Munson

I'd say the Subaru would almost always have a slight edge on this Clio, off the line. Rolling would depend on whether or not the Subaru was on boost, or Clio on cam etc. etc.

Very similar power/weight. The Clio has far less torque, but at 1000kg it doesn't need it so much. Drag racing they'd be very close up to 120mph. Ultimately the Ricer would be the quickest car, but the Clio is likely to keep it very honest - you won't be getting apperciably smaller in his mirror.
 
Bluebeard

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Roy Munson said:
I'd say the Subaru would almost always have a slight edge on this Clio, off the line. Rolling would depend on whether or not the Subaru was on boost, or Clio on cam etc. etc.

Very similar power/weight. The Clio has far less torque, but at 1000kg it doesn't need it so much. Drag racing they'd be very close up to 120mph. Ultimately the Ricer would be the quickest car, but the Clio is likely to keep it very honest - you won't be getting apperciably smaller in his mirror.
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So the subaru would win then....
 
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Munson

Blah blah TBH. A Focus ST has a million lbs/ft but it's no quicker to 60 or 100 than a 172Cup. After learning about torques from JC, have we all of a sudden forgotten about weight?
 
Bluebeard

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Christopher said:
And i doubt he'd be fully clutch-dumping it at 6k if it's his new toy. ;)

Poor drivetrain :(
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Oh he will!!

Then, when it goes bang and he's faced with a bill bigger than General Electric he'll be bagging the 172 for a lift!
 
Bluebeard

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Roy Munson said:
Blah blah TBH. A Focus ST has a million lbs/ft but it's no quicker to 60 or 100 than a 172Cup. After learning about torques from JC, have we all of a sudden forgotten about weight?
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Not forgotten at all.

But i've owned all of the said cars and i know, for a fact, that the subaru will beat the clio.

Unless its on an even playing field (a track day) then on the average road/dual carriageway the Subaru will beat the clio.

Thats assuming it doesn't blow up. Lots.
 
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Munson

Daniel said:
Roy Munson said:
I'd say the Subaru would almost always have a slight edge on this Clio, off the line. Rolling would depend on whether or not the Subaru was on boost, or Clio on cam etc. etc.

Very similar power/weight. The Clio has far less torque, but at 1000kg it doesn't need it so much. Drag racing they'd be very close up to 120mph. Ultimately the Ricer would be the quickest car, but the Clio is likely to keep it very honest - you won't be getting apperciably smaller in his mirror.
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So the subaru would win then....
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Not necassarily IMO. It would always have an edge as a machine I'd imagine, but I'll bet a pound to a pinch of s**t that the guy in the Subaru is not going to be able to shake this Clio off ;) If the factors presented in this thread are correct of course :D
 
Christopher

Christopher

ClioSport Club Member
  Z4M
Roy Munson said:
Blah blah TBH. A Focus ST has a million lbs/ft but it's no quicker to 60 or 100 than a 172Cup. After learning about torques from JC, have we all of a sudden forgotten about weight?
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Next week, lets not talk out of our bum.

Saying it's a straight race. Flat.

Even if the Impreza weighed 1600kg's... which it doesn't. More like 1250-1300kg's. It'd still pull on the Clio, in every gear. From standing or rolling. That was my point.
 
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Munson

Daniel said:
Roy Munson said:
Blah blah TBH. A Focus ST has a million lbs/ft but it's no quicker to 60 or 100 than a 172Cup. After learning about torques from JC, have we all of a sudden forgotten about weight?
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Not forgotten at all.

But i've owned all of the said cars and i know, for a fact, that the subaru will beat the clio.

Unless its on an even playing field (a track day) then on the average road/dual carriageway the Subaru will beat the clio.

Thats assuming it doesn't blow up. Lots.
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A 190bhp/ton Clio? You realise that's some 35bhp/ton up on a 172?
 
M

Munson

Christopher said:
Roy Munson said:
Blah blah TBH. A Focus ST has a million lbs/ft but it's no quicker to 60 or 100 than a 172Cup. After learning about torques from JC, have we all of a sudden forgotten about weight?
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Next week, lets not talk out of our bum.

Saying it's a straight race. Flat.

Even if the Impreza weighed 1600kg's... which it doesn't. More like 1250-1300kg's. It'd still pull on the Clio, in every gear. From standing or rolling. That was my point.
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LOL easy tiger. Hows about next week we come up with a replacement for "next week lets" ;)

Anyways whatever. The fact that it's a 190bhp/ton Clio, and matches the quoted figures for the Subaru, has no bearing on the topic at all, because it's a Scoob innit ;)
 
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Munson

Fair play, and you'd probably be right, but there'll be no "ruining" going on because of torques ;) The torque/weights of each car (IMO), in this example would be less of a factor than the matching bhp/ton, in a straight drag at least.

If the road is even slightly damp though, the Subaru is going bye bye. I've had a wet start in my 182 against a friends WRX sti TypeUK, and that thing was a dot on the horizon by the time my wheels had stopped spinning.
 
Christopher

Christopher

ClioSport Club Member
  Z4M
Stop it with the "Torques"... all the Top Gear kids have gone to bed now.

I'm still unconvinced. I still predict ownage, we'll have to see.

No pressure then. ;)
 
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