Basic spec Renaultsport Clio Race Series

[Adam G]

they are on a par with Dunlops and R888s and bar in mind sachs are much better piece of kit than a 172 shock

Yeah I know, think we're on the same page on that but I'm reading from the opposite end.
I think having a decent tyre makes sense, rather than something that's just going to melt and surprise a few over eager novices.

 

[Adam G]

Just in case anybody is interested but hasn't got a clue where to start looking for more info.
Here's a couple of links to help:


[url]http://www.msvtrackdays.com/car-home/go-racing.aspx

[/URL]http://www.gomotorsport.net/

 

[MG cup]

I haven't read all the posts yet, I like the initial plan but IMO you cant have a race series relying on standard shocks, there just not upto it. Good for a trackday or two but should never be considered to go racing, koni shocks or the likes at the very least.

There not exactly expensive in the grand scheme of racing when you consider entry, travel,consumbles fee's, safety gear, damage. You would be looking at around 7-10k to run a car for a season so the car will be the cheapest part almost certainly.

 

[Adam G]

In reality, my cup shocks have done more track miles than probably all the racers' coilovers put together on here. Can't see how you can say they aren't up to it.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

7-10 k?.......

surely not that much

 

[NorthloopCup]

koni shocks

To easy to get these revalved mate. Grass roots motorsport always has, and always WILL attract cheats unfortunately. I think you'd have to keep it standard shocks purely based on the the fact that you can't revalve them.

 

[Adam G]

Can I just remind people that there is a 2CV championship, so basic cars can be raced effectively.

 

[Chip-mk1]

​eh?

I assume He means stop people spending by saying you have to swap cars if asked but thats retarded, if you want to cap spending then do like in some series do where if anyone offers a predetermined sum you have to sell.
Say 2.5k for example.

 

[Detail Chris]

Ooh I want into this so badly. Be at the back but wouldn't care. Would be my dream! Please do it as cheap as possible, will make it 1% more doable for me!

Instead of power to weight etc how about a basic what can and can't be removed for a 172 and a 182 respectively. So they end up near on identical weights. A test 172 & 182 would be needed to weigh in then the regs can be set. After that as already mentioned, set engine spec. Done

 

[mark123]

I used to do grass track racing. My race was completly std 998cc mini. I bought my car ready to race for 400 quid. It was great fun and close racing. But there was always one or two cars that were implausibly fast.

In short it's a great idea I would have been up for it if my car was not already past the spec. People will cheat and will spend thousands blue printing or group n ing engines. But it will always happen that's life. Doesn't mean it won't be fun and cheap (relatively) for everyone else.

Have you looked at who would run it? Because there is a massive amount of admin plus you will get messers, they are everywhere not just cs. I've been involved in organising autosolos and stage rallies and it is a lot of work.

 

[Chip-mk1]

7-10 k?.......

surely not that much

Bet that's not far off if you want to run at a decent number of events.

 

[nick172sport]

I've skipped from page 3 to the end, so not read the whole thread, but I would certainly be up for this on a budget of around £3k!

I've been looking for a way to get into Motorsport for a long time, but on a low-ish budget. Thought about track days with a hunk of cr@p car, but would much rather the thrill of actual racing...even though i'd be near the back!!

The only issue I would have with it, is my daily is a 172, so I have no way of towing a track car from Bristol, to said track...might be a possibility I can borrow a pick-up truck and trailer, but that's a very wary might, so that would be the only thing stopping me doing it.

From February 2014 though, count me in

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

suppose it does all add up quick after X amount of fuel + tyres. unforseen issues ect

 

[imprezaworks]

My plan is too eventually have two cars. A Clio for trackdays and a heap for work etc

 

[Adam G]

Nick, I'd probably drive to the events in the car. Nothing stopping it being road legal still.
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I think 1k is perhaps a little over the top, maybe about £700 per event. You've only got 3 x 15 minute sessions, so not even half a track day in reality. Entry is around £300 I think. I will stand corrected by a seasoned racer who obviously knows better. I'm obviously not included breakages/damage!

 

[nick172sport]

Nick, I'd probably drive to the events in the car. Nothing stopping it being road legal still.
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That is true, but then surely I, and others i'm sure, would struggle to insure a car on the road with all mods declared?

 

[dmallett]

Would be a pretty cool series if something could come of it.

On the cage side of thing you could try get mark fish involved with the safety devices 6 point cages, I remember a local clio used to race in trackday trophy with the cage and it looks pretty decent.

 

[imprezaworks]

That is true, but then surely I, and others i'm sure, would struggle to insure a car on the road with all mods declared?

The policy I have with brentacre pretty much gives the green light to mod away, not sure ref the roll cage but don't think it would be an issue.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Nick, I'd probably drive to the events in the car. Nothing stopping it being road legal still.
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I think 1k is perhaps a little over the top, maybe about £700 per event. You've only got 3 x 15 minute sessions, so not even half a track day in reality. Entry is around £300 I think. I will stand corrected by a seasoned racer who obviously knows better. I'm obviously not included breakages/damage!

I was trying to include everything though. Getting to the track, food & drink, entry fee, fuel for the car, tyre/brake wear etc.

 

[Adam G]

^We'd be on diets, water's free!

 

[Sam@NP]

Can I just remind people that there is a 2CV championship, so basic cars can be raced effectively.

Yes, but they are bloody dull, have tiny shitty tyres and boggy suspension not some sticky track tyre.

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[imprezaworks]

We should all buy 107/c1's and race them, I'd love that lol

 

[Adam G]

Yes, but they are bloody dull, have tiny s**tty tyres and boggy suspension not some sticky track tyre.

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Too fast for you?:rasp:

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

We should all buy 107/c1's and race them, I'd love that lol

funny enough i've thought of this,

107
c1
aygo

the are fun to drive stripped out ! having been in one without a silenced exhaust aswell :clown:

 

[Adam G]

We should all buy 107/c1's and race them, I'd love that lol

​Get out!

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Too fast for you?:rasp:

can only flip them in reverse IIRC

 

[Russ_16v]

I'd be very interested Mr Colshe

 

[mitsiman]

If someone won knowing they cheated im guessing it wouldnt phase them one bit. To cheat to begin with shows no _______ can't think of the word.

Scruples - theres a serious lack of them in motorsport!

 

[imprezaworks]

​Get out!

I would do it in a heartbeat probably because I think there ace cars.

 

[Hixle]

Superb idea. People seem to be unnecessarily over complicating it though, lol.

 

[Adam G]

Superb idea. People seem to be unnecessarily over complicating it though, lol.

​= More expense.

 

[.GAZ.]

I'd be game, if Knockhill was one the tracks.

 

[.GAZ.]

Must be kept simple and CHEAP!

​Cheaper it is, the more fun it is.

 

[Adam G]

Well if anybody's wondering who's genuinely interested in this.......
​It's probably the people that are trying to keep the cost to a minimum.

 

[imprezaworks]

Yep

 

[Sam@NP]

I'm hugely interested, like I said I've already been talking to 750 but their regs are just a little off from what will be a great series.

 

[p@blo]

Do you not think a set of Pilot sport Cups with massively overwhelm the standard suspension and it will just understeer everywhere.

Apparently not Sam. Because race car out of the showroom iirc.

 

[mitsiman]

I think that this is a great idea but please don’t underestimate the costs of entering and running in a series like this. Circuit costs are expensive so it is unlikely that entry fees will be able to be less than £200.00 for a 15 minute slot. There may be a couple of people who are willing to organise it all but ultimately it will become a full time job for somebody so a club membership and registration will have to be levied. This will have to be a few hundred quid a year, so add £40.00 per race. Then there’s fuel, then there’s getting there, that’s another £100.00, so you are into £340.00 per race. You can do the rest on any budget you want, but if you are going to build a car, buy the Kit, get your ARDS then you need to spend £3000 minimum, if you intend to do 6 races (and you will need to in order to make the series survive) then you are looking at a £4700.00 budget for the first year as a minimum. I am not being a killjoy but before everyone starts saying “whoo I’ll do it” have a think about the costs. After that worry about the people with double that to spare and then wonder how they will spend the spare cash!

 

[Yosemite Sam]

I think that this is a great idea but please don’t underestimate the costs of entering and running in a series like this. Circuit costs are expensive so it is unlikely that entry fees will be able to be less than £200.00 for a 15 minute slot. There may be a couple of people who are willing to organise it all but ultimately it will become a full time job for somebody so a club membership and registration will have to be levied. This will have to be a few hundred quid a year, so add £40.00 per race. Then there’s fuel, then there’s getting there, that’s another £100.00, so you are into £340.00 per race. You can do the rest on any budget you want, but if you are going to build a car, buy the Kit, get your ARDS then you need to spend £3000 minimum, if you intend to do 6 races (and you will need to in order to make the series survive) then you are looking at a £4700.00 budget for the first year as a minimum. I am not being a killjoy but before everyone starts saying “whoo I’ll do it” have a think about the costs. After that worry about the people with double that to spare and then wonder how they will spend the spare cash!

So my guesstimate of £1000 per meeting wasn't far off! (Average, Over the course of the year)

 

[Jay Payne]

mitsiman, saying what im thinking since 2010