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best oil for 182 answered



  Disco 5 ,Monaro VXR


The 182 had its first 12000 mile service yesterday cost £180 quid though dont know if that was good or bad.

anyway apparantly they have had a new service shhet from renault yesterday which stated that the ONLY OIL that should be put into the car should be

Castrol Rs 5w 40w oil fully synth if the garage isnt using elf oil

hope this helps as i wasnt sure of which to use
 
  Skoda Fabia vRS


well seeing as Castrol dont make an RS 5W-40 then its going to be quite hard to stick to that !

they only make the RS in 0W-40 and 10W-60 and the 10W-60 is very hard to get hold of
 
  Ford Fiesta


mine is coming up taking it at 6K for change, still no def answer as to what to use, hopefully synthetic Elf but not sure which one exactly
 
  Skoda Fabia vRS


some Elf petrol stations if you can find one, not many about though and not many of them actually sell it

i used to be able to get hold of cases of it but having trouble lately and i prefer Silkolene anywayz which i now use
 
  Clio 197


Err.... my manual said 10w40... so did the garage who serviced my 182 in July.... They used Magnatec...

So things have changed already?!
 


Just changed mine at 3000miles(after two trackdays);).

Used Halfords 5w40 fully synthetic, half price last week at £17.

It meets all the standards and I doubt if halfords make it themselves in the back of the shop.

It was definatly worth paying £15 to my local garage to do the change after seeing the massive burn on his arm from changing the filter.:devilish:
 
  172, Tiguan


I would strongly recommend not using fully synthetic oil untill the car has covered at least 12k.

Up untill this time the 10w 40 that Renault recommend is advisable.

Fully synthetic is too efficient and will hinder the bedding in process.

If you use the search facility you will get quite a few results as this topic has been discussed many times, and is far from specific to the 182.
 


I use shell ultra helix 5w40 fully synth in mine. Seeing as the rating is the same then thats good enough for me.
 
  111s


I ran my 172 on 10w40 up to its 24k service, should be well run in by now so switched to fully syn Castrol RS 0w40, couldnt find any 5w40.
 
  Ford Fiesta


so i might as well wait til 12K miles before changing the oil if ppl are saying not to put the top stuff in as in synthetic.

Renault handbook says 10 40 full stop at all times doesnt it, not to use a certain type then after its run in use other types.
 


If you use a lower rating (e.g 0-40 rather than 10-40) you can experience leaks, particularly in the early life of the engine.
 


Quote: Originally posted by Liam182 on 23 August 2004


so i might as well wait til 12K miles before changing the oil if ppl are saying not to put the top stuff in as in synthetic.

Renault handbook says 10 40 full stop at all times doesnt it, not to use a certain type then after its run in use other types.


most of us on here definitely recommend changing at 6k, just change for another semisynth 10w40 like magnatec.

I dunno about anyone else but my engine sounded much quieter on magnatec than on the original elf oil.
 


The renault handbook recommends 5w40 and not 10w40.

I asked at the dealer if the car is supplied with different oil for the running in period and he said no.

Cars that are supplied initially with running in oil usually have an oil change service at about 1000miles as did my old subaru.
 
  ClioSport 182


Quote: Originally posted by tinhead on 23 August 2004


The renault handbook recommends 5w40 and not 10w40.

I asked at the dealer if the car is supplied with different oil for the running in period and he said no.

Cars that are supplied initially with running in oil usually have an oil change service at about 1000miles as did my old subaru. <SCRIPT language=javascript>
I have been reading all the posts on the subject of oil for some time now. I own a 182 and the specific 182 "manual" doesnt say anything about the type of oil, however the general clio manual basically says Elf 5W 40 is the one to go for- its called Elf Excellium. It even goes as far to say that Elf 10W 40 is not suitable for the 2.0 L RS clio (I read this as the 182, but I stand to be corrected).

So, given the contradictions with this forum, I went to two different friendly dealers to see what they had to say, and they both said the same: the Clio 182 comes with Elf 5W 40, which is fully synthetic, from new and they only use this. Elf 10W 40 should not be used.

Why does this contradicion exist? To confuse the owner?

KnightAzul
 
  Clio 197


To add to the confusion... My manual said 10W 40...

After my first 12k service, they were kind enough to give me 10W 40 top up oil.

BUT "anyway apparantly they have had a new service shhet from renault yesterday which stated that the ONLY OIL that should be put into the car should be

Castrol Rs 5w 40w oil fully synth if the garage isnt using elf oil"

Maybe its a recent change, which is yet to be rolled out for the manuals?
 
  ClioSport 182


Thats odd!!

"... the ONLY OIL that should be put into the car should be Castrol Rs 5w 40w oil fully synth if the garage isnt using elf oil"

So now its ok to use full synthetic oil no matter if in the run-in period or not!! The plot thickens. I guess I am going to adopt the following strategy. Run my 182 for as long as possible without a top-up. It has 2800 miles and only one blob on the digital oil level reader has disappeared. Once I have only 1 or 2 blobs left I change the oil completely to 5W 40 Elf oil (as per recommendation). Hopefully the oil should last sufficent time to "run in", if it is indeed semi synthetic 10W 40. Is there any way to tell the two apart by touching the oil on the dip stick?

What I dont want to do it mix fully with semi synthetic oil.

KnightAzul
 
  Ford Fiesta


the handbook does say 5 40 as far as i remember, and yes if it had "running in oil" it would state a change at 1000mile like subaru and think honda too?

i think it comes with normal oil from new, whatever this is, prob elf 10 40 as has been suggested
 


did a service yesterday using elf 5w40, changed the oil and fuel filter, a set of Denso iridium power.... must say im a happy bunny. the car felt so much better... would like to attribute it to the oil and plugs. the pull in mid-range was wow and feels really smooth... ok dun shoot, i know its new oil and plugs but still definitely not using mobil 1 anymore.
 
  Ford Fiesta


isvenII where did u get the elf oil from?

if everyone reads their serivce boks not the car manual it will say for the 182

"only use ACEA A3 5W40 standard oil for the 2.0L RS engine"

so Im not putting 10w40 in.

in the manual itself on the front cover it says Elf Excellium LDX 5w40

or Elf Ultimate 5w40



also mentioned is Elf Evloution SXR 5w40.



[Edited by Liam182 on 24 August 2004 at 10:10am]

done a search on google for elf ultimate it only brought up

http://www.nickadcock.net/clio_spec.htmhttp://www.nickadcock.net/clio_spec.htm
 
  172, Tiguan


Cant be bothered to post again on what type of oil to use as no one chooses to even listen.

However if you are relying on the digi dash guage to measure your oil level then frankly your asking for trouble. Best of luck.
 


my service book states 5w40 too.... and im over at Singapore. Mine has done 27k km so engine should be nicely loosen up by now. btw, i added the ows engine protector too when i changed my engine oil.
 
  Disco 5 ,Monaro VXR


as i said guys the garage had a NEW SERVICE SHEET THAT DAY and apparantly castrol magnatec is FINE for the 172 but NOT for the 182 u and i quote

" only put castrol rs in mate if you put magnatec in Renaut coud not validate warranty they can be really funny" (what renault dealer said and that was the owner not some part timer)

so i swapped a ful tub of magnatec for castrol rs with him for free.

so once agin only use 5w 40 with the correct rating mentioned above in your 182 but castrol magnatec is Fine for the 172.

cheers guys
 
  Disco 5 ,Monaro VXR


Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 24 August 2004


The 172 and the 182 have identical engines. Identical oil is fine
i thought that to mate but on the sheet is says what i stated ,ok for 172 to use magnatec but 182 they are to use rs i doesnt make sense to me but if thet tell me to put it in im going to. its not cheap eiether 57 plus vat for the oil??

looks like just another way to screw us??

fair play to the dealer though he still did the same price for the service even with the more exensive oil and im getting an extended test in megane sport
 
  Ford Fiesta


email from total elf UK states"

Hi Liam

The primary recommendation for your vehicle is a 5W/30. The grade we would put in there is Elf
Evolution SXR 5W/30 or Total Quartz Future 9000 5W/30.

The secondary recommendation is to use a 5W/40. The Elf Excellium LDX 5W/40, or Elf Evolution SXR
5W/40 or Total Quartz 9000 5W/40 will be fine to use.

These grades should be available from an Elf Stockist/Distributor. If they dont have any on the
shelf they should be able to order some for you.

To find your nearest Stockist/distributor call Customer Services Direct on 01977 636231.

Please find information below on the grades of oil you can use.

(See attached file: EVOLUTION SXR 5W - 30.pdf)(See attached file: EVOLUTION SXR 5W - 40.pdf)(See
attached file: EXCELLIUM LDX 5W - 40.pdf)(See attached file: QUARTZ FUTURE 9000 5W-30.pdf)(See
attached file: QUARTZ 9000 5W-40.pdf)

If you need any more information please do not hesitate to drop me an email or call the Technical
Department on the number below.

Cheers

Rory Haigh

Technical Advisor
TOTAL UK Ltd
Lubricants Division
Pottery Lane
Ferrybridge
West Yorkshire
WF11 8JY

Tel (technical) : 01977 636222
Fax : 01977 677465
 


Right, there is ALOT of misleading info and half answers here.

Firstly, the choice of what oil your respective dealer puts in depends on what they buy in bulk, they do not stock a different oil for different vehicles. They have oil on tap hanging from the ceiling...so you get what they get in bulk. And its not like any of their techs know the first thing about oil anyway or what to use.

The correct oil you should be using depends on which side of the manufacture tolerances it was built, average ambeit temps, type of driving, peak oil temps and average oil temps, rpm etc etc.

However we will never tell what side of tolerances the engine was built with unless we take it apart and measure down to the crank journal, cylinder bore, rings etc etc.

Best you can do is take an educated guess. Suppose you break down into summer and winter grades you run rather than an all year round grade. SUmmer ambeint temps are higher so you can run a higher base viscosity, peak oil temps will also run higher so a higer high temp viscosity is better. FOr most a 15w40 or 10w40 etc etc. In winter a 5w40 etc.

Things not to worry about are theories of leaks with differing grades of oil. Modern engines do away with most gaskets and replace them with rubber based instant seals. These do not contract and expand, crack etc etc, so leak will not occur due to an oil change.

Also the debate over semi of fully synth oils. FUlly synth oils are better, end of. They are more thermally stable, have far better shear stability and can hold a film layer, they have better EPA additives and NO VI improvers (polymers) as in mineral based oils, which can breakdown with excessive heat and clog areas, and create that nastly sludge you find in an engine. They have extended drain intervals meaning you can forget about it for longer....typically double or triple that of mineral and semi oils. However, their exptreem protection capabilities can pretty much prevent metal to metal contact and limit the bedding in process which is vital to ensure peak engine efficiency.

However, this doesnt mean mineral or semi is bad, its perfectly fine for most road engines except for those exngineered on the extreem side. Most will run a semi of sorts, which is perfectly fine and does just as god a job as protecting as fully synth, but has a shorter drain interval, typically 3-5K for those who care....more if you dont.

Mineral oil has its benefits, particuarly when running in a fresh engine. The msit important part is the first few mins of running, and being a pansy will see your car not performing to its best for another 10-20K miles later. Its all about how the piston rings seal. Fully synth wont allow a fresh engine to seal efficiently, mineral will as is EPAs are not as effective and its film shear strenth not as good. However, expect to change oil every 3K max.

Hope this clears some stuff up, dont get caught up in nonsense and just buy the oil which best suits your needs....if you do alot of trackdays etc and run ultra high temps with no oil cooler, think of a fully synth 15w50 etc.
 
  Ford Fiesta


thanks for that Ben, cleared it up somewhat, email from Total update just for everyones info:

"Morning Liam.

We have a close working relationship with Renault and the 5W/30 grades I
mentioned will be fine.
Even though they are not mentioned in the hand book! I can understand your
concern though as you
will want to use exactly what is stated by Renault to keep up with
warrenty/service requirements
etc.... and getting your book stamped for future resale.

The Excellium 5W/40 grade is on the UK Availability List so a
stockist/distributor will be able to
get it for you. See number in previous email that you can dial to find out your
nearest one.
Mention that it is an Elf one that you are after.

If you need any more info just drop me an email again.

Cheers

Rory Haigh
 
  Ford Fiesta


no neither would I, I think he is confused about that I have def read 5W30 not to be used in the 2L RS.

So DONT PUT 5W30 IN YOUR 172/182 PEEPS!
 
  Ford Fiesta


for anyone looking for elf oil Ive found that the UK distributers can get the ACEA A3 Elf Excellium LDX 5W40 the stuff that is mentioned in the book for £1.85 per litre so for 12 bottles of 2litres (the only size they do) it would be £52.17.
 


The Service Note that was issued to the dealers this week states that only 5W40 must be used in the Clio RS and Megane 225..


It does NOT say that using 10W40 in the 172 is ok.. (magnatec, etc)
It does NOT specify any particular manufacturer of the oil used, aslong as it meets the spec.
Our parts department have just ordered some 5W40 oil for us to use on RS servicing.. Up till now we have been filling with 10W40 Magnatec bulk..

Castrol RS10/60 is available from here http://www.castrolclassicoils.co.uk/http://www.castrolclassicoils.co.uk/
 


Quote: Originally posted by 172 Exclusive on 27 August 2004
The Service Note that was issued to the dealers this week states that only 5W40 must be used in the Clio RS and Megane 225.. It does NOT say that using 10W40 in the 172 is ok.. (magnatec, etc)It does NOT specify any particular manufacturer of the oil used, aslong as it meets the spec.Our parts department have just ordered some 5W40 oil for us to use on RS servicing.. Up till now we have been filling with 10W40 Magnatec bulk..Castrol RS10/60 is available from here http://www.castrolclassicoils.co.uk/http://www.castrolclassicoils.co.uk/


Are you in Swindon then? Which garage? I am due for an oil change I reckon, and I would feel a lot better getting oil from someone who knows...
 


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