Big Bang and my oil was gone! :-(

[gilmour182]

Hi Folks.

Sad times.
Clio 182 2005 43K had a premature timing belt failure repaired 5 months and 3k ago.
I only paid £600 of a £3200 bill thanks to Renault.
Good times.

But............. last night had a loud bang at high revs and lots of smoke as the car dumped its oil all over the road.
last repair was "only" 16 valves, cams and cam followers.

Does anyone know of damage to conrods etc. caused by timingbelt failure?


With the Dealer again and called renault customer service.
Owned car from new and full Renault service history.

Still waiting on feedback from the dealer.

 

[gilmour182]

If someone who knows their stuff out there can help?

Can a failed timing belt cause more damage than just valves and cams?

Still waiting on Renault getting back to me.

 

[Ollie82.]

Yeah it can damage the pistons.

So whats happened exactly? Thrown a rod and holed the block?

 

[gilmour182]

Was Dark last night, so just got a tow, and dumped it at the Dealer that "fixed" the timing belt failure. Still waiting to hear from Dealer and Renault.

BMW i had just went past must have been p!$$in himself. I looked like a red arrow display. lol

 

[Fred@BTM]

erm 12months parts and labour warranty from renault???

 

[gilmour182]

erm 12months parts and labour warranty from renault???

just hope they dont claim they didnt touch the bottom end.

Gettin ahead of myself...will try to chill and see what they come up with.

 

[gilmour182]

AWwwwwww!

Conrod has left the engine.

Renault offering a new engine for around £1800.....

they say total cost is £3600

Do i bite their hand off ? Or do i stick to my guns that the failed timing belt 3k miles ago did the damage.?
At least the £600 i paid for the original repair should come off the bill?

 

[Ollie82.]

You'll need to prove the cambelt failure caused the rod to up sticks and leave, which is unlikely.

 

[iimushroomzii]

I'd source my own engine and get it bought and fitted for under 1k.

 

[vladoje]

The same happened to me in January 400km after the cambelt and aux belt service. Waiting to get a second hand engine which should be soon. Con rod blew straight through the block:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6292448&postcount=5

 

[sideways danny]

It's common on alfas for a broken cambelt to cause a flat spotted big end bearing....however i've never heard of, nor seen evidence of this from a renault F-block engine. I'd doubt it's related to be honest

 

[AlanHod]

This scares me, i've just got my car back from a premature timing belt failure which bent all 16 valves and wrecked half the valve guides!! I hope it lasts longer than yours!!

 

[gilmour182]

Thanks for the advice guys, waiting to barter a price.
Guess I will never know if the cam belt failure damaged the bottom end.
I might just be realy lucky..lol. wonder what the probability of a cam belt failing and chucking a rod withing 3k miles.? esecialy on a car that is standard and mostly ticking over at 3.5k revs on the motorway.

 

[gilmour182]

This scares me, i've just got my car back from a premature timing belt failure which bent all 16 valves and wrecked half the valve guides!! I hope it lasts longer than yours!!

I wouldnt worry .......as i said i'm just lucky.

 

[gilmour182]

£1765...... Renault customer service going to Dealer who sold and maintained the car to see if they can spare a few ££ towards it.

currenty at 50% of cost

 

[gilmour182]

Dealer not puttin a penny towards it.
They sold and maintained the car.
Anyone know a bit about sale of goods act?

 

[sideways danny]

talk to CAB and trading standards for advice. Think i already said that's's not the dealers fault IMO though, sorry

should be able to get another engine all in and fitted for considerably less than Renault want to charge you though

 

[Nick r26r]

STEVE79 has a low milage cup engine if u r after a cheap engine !! engines dont hang around long and are way over priced everywhere else , so contact steve if u r after a engine , under stutts auto's in the trader section , he wanted around the £400 ish mark maybe a bit more for it last time i spoke to him , plus carrage

 

[barker22]

could you not argue for instance, when the belt went and bent the valves, the pistons were now hitting metal instead of air/fuel therefore putting unnecessary strain on the rods causing one of them 2 fail.

 

[Daniel]

Dealer not puttin a penny towards it.
They sold and maintained the car.
Anyone know a bit about sale of goods act?

Whats that going to achieve??? Its not their fault is it!!

 

[barker22]

Thanks for the advice guys, waiting to barter a price.
Guess I will never know if the cam belt failure damaged the bottom end.
I might just be realy lucky..lol. wonder what the probability of a cam belt failing and chucking a rod withing 3k miles.? esecialy on a car that is standard and mostly ticking over at 3.5k revs on the motorway.

this is what i was thinking, bottom end normally just doesnt go, well not usually at that mileage, its a bit of a s**t coincidence if ur just unlucky like that. friday afternoon engine maybe.

 

[Hutchie]

only time i have seen a f-block renault engine chuck a rod out of bed is when its been over revved.

simples.

 

[gilmour182]

Might have rev'd a little high just before it went bang,
flat out in 3rd changing up after a large roundabout that was taken pretty fast.

Thanks for all the input guys.
I paid the £1750, thats 50% of the retail price.
Renault paid about £1200.
One years parts and labour warranty from Ren.
New belts, tensioner and clutch.
Sh!t myself today when i checked the oil thought it had F*%k all in it then remembered it was all nice and clean now.
Will give it a treat every 4k now and try to keep it that way.

Do i need to run it in? Dealer said it's not required.
will go easy for now.

Think i'll keep it for a while well 11 months and 3 weeks anyways.

 

[realnumber 1]

How the f**k can you rev it too high when it has a limiter lol. Or was it remapped?

 

[gilmour182]

All water under the bridge..new engine fitted. Will keep the little 182 for a long time, can't part with it..... But it is slowly turning into "triggers brush"..........

Had to go back to the dealer 3 times after the engine change, kept the faults between myself and them. Waiting for a part for my air-con, looks like they burst the system when fitting the engine.

 

[gilmour182]

How the f**k can you rev it too high when it has a limiter lol. Or was it remapped?

not remapped. but did hit 7250rpm and was changing up as it went bang.

whats too high?

Renaults limiter is not there so you can bounce off of it every gear change.

 

[saltyhair81]

Where did you source the engine from if you don't mind me asking? Or did Renault

Sounds about right last time I spoke to Renault Croydon they quoted me 3,600.

 

[gilmour182]

renault got the engine from somewhere in france. took about a week to get hold of it.

 

[Cookson]

Might have rev'd a little high just before it went bang,
flat out in 3rd changing up after a large roundabout that was taken pretty fast.

That not sound like oil starvation?

 

[mbk-172]

Sounds like what happened to mine after I ran it with no oil lol, was accelerating hard down a dual carriage way hit about 6000 revs and then boom lol.

Not a mistake I'm willing to make again.