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Ok let's do some Maths.
Your MG is 160bhp and weighs 1145kg.
A 197 is 197bhp and weighs 1240kg.
I know who I'd be putting my money on if both cars were driven flat out.
Your MG is 160bhp and weighs 1145kg.
A 197 is 197bhp and weighs 1240kg.
I know who I'd be putting my money on if both cars were driven flat out.
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_Tom
ClioSport Club Member
lol more than likely a 2.0l T
A 197 weighs 1150kg? Seems too light.
Well then one of the following is true:
1) Your car is actually very heavily modified and you just havent noticed the throttle bodies
2) The 197 wasnt running right
3) The person in the 197 wasnt doing a good job of racing you, either cause he couldnt be bothered, or because he doesnt realise he needs to rev his car hard for it to work well
4) You dreamt it
I dont know or care which it is TBH, but the bottom line is that a 197 is noticeably quicker than a MGZR160
My info was taken from Wikipedia.
2.2 bar shed.
Flawless source right there.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Edited for a bit more accuracy... I personally wouldn't think there would be all that much in it my self.
2.2 bar shed.
Add to the fact that M4J's isnt standard and it starts to get more even.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
As well as the fact that a 197 will not have 197 bhp lol.
I should learn really.
Edited and actually put the correct weight in from Renault website.
Well the B18C5 will pretty much bolt straight in I believe due to the shared rover/honda underpinnings, lol
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Comparing the rover to the 197 is hilarious
2.2 bar shed.
^^ It doesnt. At all.
Probably somewhere between 170 and 185....
Would be pretty evens in my book, no-one would be "smoking" anyone....
Still, no offence but I'd rather walk than drive an MG. :/
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Ok, well they do in the 400 so figured it would be similar, but im sure that hasnt been done anyway, would be pretty obvious when he looked under the bonnet, lol
2.2 bar shed.
Everyone runs a ballerspec clio here though you have to remember. MG/R is just poverty and for the lower classes...
The MG's arent without merit, but they are also not a performance match for a 197.
2.2 bar shed.
Never said they are, but at the end of the day 13bhp in power to weight isnt all that much...
Nothing at the mo :(
13bhp is a sticker tbh
197's arn't 197 bhp!!! FFS.
2.2 bar shed.
Nothing at the mo :(
Did the car have a CS sticker? if so that extra 10bhp from it he would of pooped you.
Agreed if it were only just that difference in peak bhp for a few hundred rpm, but its not, its a 20-30lbft or so torque deficit for pretty much the whole chunk of the rev range that you use when trying to get up the road quickly (ie the top end of it)
In exactly the same way that a MGZR is 160bhp, lol
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
But you also have differences in gearing and weight which will compensate the torque deficit...
No they dont, I take it you havent driven the two cars in question? I have and the 160 isnt anywhere near as quick in a straight line (or anywhere else for that matter)
Even the manufacturer claimed 0-60 on the MGZR is 7.4 seconds IIRC which is about half a second off the Clio 197, and the faster you start to go the more the powe advantage starts to come into play as when the speed increases it becomes more about aerodynamics against power and less about weight against power, as reflected in an 8mph difference in claimed top speeds from the two cars.
The clio is just the quicker car, it doesnt matter what metric you go by, it just is.
Yes of course.
Perfectly possible that a mgzr160 won what he thought was a race but the 197 didnt, or that the person in the 197 missed a gear, or changed far too early or any other number of driver errors.
Everyone knows this is the case -
MG infront..pow
That 197 in your picture seems to have had a 172 look a like conversion done on it.
And I doubt even EVO mag would have put the MGZR as the quicker car against a 172 even, let alone against a 197.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
I've driven a 200 (the same) and been in a 160. The Clio isn't that much quicker imo.
Agreed, the clio isnt much quicker, none of the cars in that market is massively quicker than all the others, but the bottom line is that the clio IS quicker by enough of a margin that in a fairly even race (ie both drivers reasonably competent at least and both trying) it would win every single time.
