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Bomber's Reliable Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
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ITB'd MK1
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
I'd like to see that shootout done again at Surrey Rolling Road, Powerstation figures are always high, and their losses are complete fiction. They're always roughly 10% high in my experience
I'd like to see that shootout done again at Surrey Rolling Road, Powerstation figures are always high, and their losses are complete fiction. They're always roughly 10% high in my experience
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Mine on Ktec RR was 255 hp so I think there readings are on the high side
Mine on Ktec RR was 255 hp so I think there readings are on the high side
Suzuki Jimny
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
This. My standard cup made 181.3bhp on the powerstation rollers.
This. My standard cup made 181.3bhp on the powerstation rollers.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
To be fair there close to how much mathematically mine should be, bombers made identical to what it made a tdf so about as close as rolling roads can be, interestingly tho looking at them all over laid Msos car has more area under the line especially low down, difference is he had a drive in drive out conversion both mine and bombers cars are work in progress
To be fair there close to how much mathematically mine should be, bombers made identical to what it made a tdf so about as close as rolling roads can be, interestingly tho looking at them all over laid Msos car has more area under the line especially low down, difference is he had a drive in drive out conversion both mine and bombers cars are work in progress
Qashcow
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Will post pic of the graphs later, but the 3 overlayed all look very similar.
What knowone has mentioned yet is the amount of boost they were making.... Lol. Let's just say mine may last longer ha.
Twin turbo Audi RS6 aren't that quick it turns out
Will post pic of the graphs later, but the 3 overlayed all look very similar.
What knowone has mentioned yet is the amount of boost they were making.... Lol. Let's just say mine may last longer ha.
Twin turbo Audi RS6 aren't that quick it turns out
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Lol that is true, ahh well exscuse for a rebuild if it goes.
Was good of them to give us a wave once we slowed up for them ;-p
Lol that is true, ahh well exscuse for a rebuild if it goes.
Was good of them to give us a wave once we slowed up for them ;-p
Evo 5 RS
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
lol!
Nice results
Will post pic of the graphs later, but the 3 overlayed all look very similar.
What knowone has mentioned yet is the amount of boost they were making.... Lol. Let's just say mine may last longer ha.
Twin turbo Audi RS6 aren't that quick it turns out
lol!
Nice results
Evo 5 RS
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
oh yeah, .. oi! Vids!
oh yeah, .. oi! Vids!
Qashcow
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Mine made 145bhp @0.43bar
Adey's made 178bhp @0.65bar
MSO's made 168bhp @0.??bar
So all in all, not a shootout as opposed to working out what boost levels make what. And on the road, 33bhp didn't make alot of difference, not enough for me to increase it until I'm ready for 330+. Glad today happened tbh
Video to come, a mate had his HD camera with him
Mine made 145bhp @0.43bar
Adey's made 178bhp @0.65bar
MSO's made 168bhp @0.??bar
So all in all, not a shootout as opposed to working out what boost levels make what. And on the road, 33bhp didn't make alot of difference, not enough for me to increase it until I'm ready for 330+. Glad today happened tbh
Video to come, a mate had his HD camera with him
R26
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Looking good Dave. Soz I didn't make it, was catching some zzzz's after getting back to UK
Looking good Dave. Soz I didn't make it, was catching some zzzz's after getting back to UK
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Mines running 0.5 bar
Mine made 145bhp @0.43bar
Adey's made 178bhp @0.65bar
MSO's made 168bhp @0.??bar
So all in all, not a shootout as opposed to working out what boost levels make what. And on the road, 33bhp didn't make alot of difference, not enough for me to increase it until I'm ready for 330+. Glad today happened tbh
Video to come, a mate had his HD camera with him
Mines running 0.5 bar
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Actually something there has changed in the past 6 months or so, the loss's still look very high but the actual fly figure has ended up pretty close to what our chassis dyno reckons. Our's definately hasn't changed so maybe there's been a tweak to Powerstations software to make it a bit more realistic for 2WD. From the looks of things Bombers car has made pretty identical figures on both!
Actually something there has changed in the past 6 months or so, the loss's still look very high but the actual fly figure has ended up pretty close to what our chassis dyno reckons. Our's definately hasn't changed so maybe there's been a tweak to Powerstations software to make it a bit more realistic for 2WD. From the looks of things Bombers car has made pretty identical figures on both!
ITB'd MK1
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Well yours seems to read about 5% up on SRR also. I know i've said it before, but it's time and again that the Superflow (f**king awesome piece of kit that it is) gives higher numbers. I'm not saying which is correct either way.....just that there's a consistent difference
Well yours seems to read about 5% up on SRR also. I know i've said it before, but it's time and again that the Superflow (f**king awesome piece of kit that it is) gives higher numbers. I'm not saying which is correct either way.....just that there's a consistent difference
ITB'd MK1
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
no you're right, it's good to see a direct comparison between 3 similar spec cars. MSO, Seems you have a luuuuurvely chunk of low down grunt. I think Adeys was at 0.4 bar when i drove it and it went like a complete b*****d then, dread to think what it's like with another 3psi
no you're right, it's good to see a direct comparison between 3 similar spec cars. MSO, Seems you have a luuuuurvely chunk of low down grunt. I think Adeys was at 0.4 bar when i drove it and it went like a complete b*****d then, dread to think what it's like with another 3psi
Qashcow
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
As did toby's 106. Near identical figures on TDF rr and powerstations today. Everything else seemed to come out pretty much as people expected too, no silly high figures on various vehicles
As did toby's 106. Near identical figures on TDF rr and powerstations today. Everything else seemed to come out pretty much as people expected too, no silly high figures on various vehicles
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Like i said before well done for doing it yourself but for me I paid £4200 to get it done dropped it off picked it up 1week later job done if it breaks they fix it, I took the easy way!!!
Like i said before well done for doing it yourself but for me I paid £4200 to get it done dropped it off picked it up 1week later job done if it breaks they fix it, I took the easy way!!!
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Interesting past few pages, awesome bumface.
Interesting past few pages, awesome bumface.
Qashcow
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Cambelt is an extra £500 though. I wanted a challenge, it's the only way to learn.
How long is Ktec warrenty?
Cheers Boner, and a massive thanks for your help on mapping day too xx
Cambelt is an extra £500 though. I wanted a challenge, it's the only way to learn.
How long is Ktec warrenty?
Cheers Boner, and a massive thanks for your help on mapping day too xx
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
See half the fun is in the build for me, then pushing my build to it's limits is a good laugh. If it let's go it'll get a new build with low comp pistons and such, I don't like just giving money away especially if it can be done for next to nothing, I think u said another 4-5 k for a low comp build Mso? I could build it myself for the cost of parts alone
See half the fun is in the build for me, then pushing my build to it's limits is a good laugh. If it let's go it'll get a new build with low comp pistons and such, I don't like just giving money away especially if it can be done for next to nothing, I think u said another 4-5 k for a low comp build Mso? I could build it myself for the cost of parts alone
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
It's like I said before I wouldn't know where to start on something like this so I have no choice but to pay someone to Do it for me. Ktec have a done a bloody good job on my car so I have no problems in paying out the money, another 4 grand would see around 380 bhp which would be bloody mental but it might be to much 300 bhp I think would be fine nice useable power and hopefully reliable.
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
And if I could do it myself For the cost of parts I'll be going around in a 400 bhp monster!!!!
And if I could do it myself For the cost of parts I'll be going around in a 400 bhp monster!!!!
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Lol I think much more than 320-350 would become undrivable in a clio, see what the next few months hold ;-p
Lol I think much more than 320-350 would become undrivable in a clio, see what the next few months hold ;-p
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
What this man said... No worries on mapping day, i didn't do much.
What this man said... No worries on mapping day, i didn't do much.
Evo 5 RS
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
You could easily get someone to build u a low comp engine for under 4k. All the better if u can do it yourself
You could easily get someone to build u a low comp engine for under 4k. All the better if u can do it yourself
Nickson
ClioSport Club Member
Ph2 1.2, Ph1 172
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
never really taken much time to have a read of this section.... just spent the best part of 2/3 hours reading this build thread. You sure have made an immense motor out of it and you must be pleased with the results knowing its all been done by yourself, which is something you don't see very often on the forums... fair play to you, can't wait to see some vids of it in action
never really taken much time to have a read of this section.... just spent the best part of 2/3 hours reading this build thread. You sure have made an immense motor out of it and you must be pleased with the results knowing its all been done by yourself, which is something you don't see very often on the forums... fair play to you, can't wait to see some vids of it in action
Re: Bomber's Savage Supercharged Snorting Slut of a Ph1
Ours is a bit different though as we have a Froude 201 engine dyno to compare it against, the fly compensations we've written for our chassis dyno match the engine dyno results as accurately as is possible when measuring through two rubber bands. Generally the chassis dyno is within 1 ftlb of what the engine dyno reckons for the Duratec, 2ZZ and F4R engines I've tested on both. We're in quite a unique position as we're one of the few companies in the UK to have a true OEM grade engine dyno (i.e. Cadet control etc.) and a decent chassis dyno in the same place.
One of the reasons DD chassis dynos and others differ is the ATMC correction factor applied by DD roads vs SAE correction applied by most others. This can cause differences, it doesn't mean either are more/less correct than the other - just that the correction factor applied has resulted in differences in the corrected figure..... there's not really a way around that as without correction factors we're all f**ked and it's the reason our crate engine books have three pages at the front concerning correction factors It's impossible to say a chassis or engine dyno reads high/low/correct without also knowing what correction factor has been applied to the raw figures recorded. A DD road will do SAE correction on wheel power and when we back to back'd a couple of cars on our old DD 2WD and our current Superflow with SAEJ1995 correction factor the difference was tolerance only. We have to correct to SAE really so our engine packages can be directly compared to those provided by Cosworth, Minister, CPT etc.
There's a really good SAE paper on correction factors BTW if you're bored and fancy a read
Ours is a bit different though as we have a Froude 201 engine dyno to compare it against, the fly compensations we've written for our chassis dyno match the engine dyno results as accurately as is possible when measuring through two rubber bands. Generally the chassis dyno is within 1 ftlb of what the engine dyno reckons for the Duratec, 2ZZ and F4R engines I've tested on both. We're in quite a unique position as we're one of the few companies in the UK to have a true OEM grade engine dyno (i.e. Cadet control etc.) and a decent chassis dyno in the same place.
One of the reasons DD chassis dynos and others differ is the ATMC correction factor applied by DD roads vs SAE correction applied by most others. This can cause differences, it doesn't mean either are more/less correct than the other - just that the correction factor applied has resulted in differences in the corrected figure..... there's not really a way around that as without correction factors we're all f**ked and it's the reason our crate engine books have three pages at the front concerning correction factors
It's impossible to say a chassis or engine dyno reads high/low/correct without also knowing what correction factor has been applied to the raw figures recorded. A DD road will do SAE correction on wheel power and when we back to back'd a couple of cars on our old DD 2WD and our current Superflow with SAEJ1995 correction factor the difference was tolerance only. We have to correct to SAE really so our engine packages can be directly compared to those provided by Cosworth, Minister, CPT etc. There's a really good SAE paper on correction factors BTW if you're bored and fancy a read
The Boosh!
ClioSport Admin
Elise, Duster
Ours is a bit different though as we have a Froude 201 engine dyno to compare it against, the fly compensations we've written for our chassis dyno match the engine dyno results as accurately as is possible when measuring through two rubber bands. Generally the chassis dyno is within 1 ftlb of what the engine dyno reckons for the Duratec, 2ZZ and F4R engines I've tested on both. We're in quite a unique position as we're one of the few companies in the UK to have a true OEM grade engine dyno (i.e. Cadet control etc.) and a decent chassis dyno in the same place.
One of the reasons DD chassis dynos and others differ is the ATMC correction factor applied by DD roads vs SAE correction applied by most others. This can cause differences, it doesn't mean either are more/less correct than the other - just that the correction factor applied has resulted in differences in the corrected figure..... there's not really a way around that as without correction factors we're all f**ked and it's the reason our crate engine books have three pages at the front concerning correction factors
There's a really good SAE paper on correction factors BTW if you're bored and fancy a read
You're the only person on here who makes me feel absolutely stupid
I understood around 30% of that though, so we're getting somewhere 
