Burpspeed Version 2: Race Car Build

[Quade]

You got an official weight for the car now Jay and Tony? Im sure you guys have estimated at around 850kg. Just wondering how far off it is? Love the new paint job, nice and fresh! :approve:

 

[Tony Hunter]

We have had to start adding bits back in,headlights,wiring,bigger catch tank etc so I would imagine it´s gone up slightly.Can.t get the power onto the track anyway.
Might get Fred to put a bag of cement under the bonnet.

 

[Fred@BTM]

with 35kg of ballast (to simulate 40L of fuel, yes i went about 5kg over, but the tank is drivers side biased) and me on board (cira 80kg depending on how well my morning drop off goes) the car is 1015kg

bit of a tw*t to do this one as we have 2 drivers experiencing 2 fuel loads, so we have to try and balance the understeer/oversteer associated with fuel loads, so trying to get the front/rear weight distribution right with/without fuel PLUS the camber, castor, toe corner weights yada yada yada

basically a never ending story, but i love doing setups


we found why the front left was locking up/spinning its tits off, it was missing 90kg of downward pressure Vs the drivers side - not far off a std cup infact

 

[Kam.]

I've not really looked at a clio fuel tank or the rules.. do you have to run a standard tank in this series? Are you allowed to modify it? I know a few Pug 205 owners who were cutting down their tanks and plastic welding them half the size. Now could you effectively cut and seal off a significant part of the tank so a full tank is just enough for racing, but also moving bias towards the passenger side? Or do this internally so not obvious..

 

[bomber]

Used 75%+ of fuel at a few races I believe, slimming it down could be bad news

 

[Naith]

looking forward to seeing how hunter and burp find the new setup. was a capable whip before, but now its btm'd it'll fly!

 

[Jay Payne]

I've not really looked at a clio fuel tank or the rules.. do you have to run a standard tank in this series? Are you allowed to modify it? I know a few Pug 205 owners who were cutting down their tanks and plastic welding them half the size. Now could you effectively cut and seal off a significant part of the tank so a full tank is just enough for racing, but also moving bias towards the passenger side? Or do this internally so not obvious..

As bomber says we use as much as 45 litres in some races. if we ever did the 1 hour race at Spa we would only just have a enough with a standard size tank

 

[Tony Hunter]

1ltr per min does not get you very far.

 

[Dave.]

As tony has said above, on track they do really drink with bodies! i realised this at donnington!

 

[Tony Hunter]

So much so,you had to get towed off

 

[Dave.]

lol i WISH it had of been for running out of fuel! would have been a lot cheaper

Thanks for all your help on the day again mate

Top Bloke

 

[Tom@JMS]

J&T, do you run it on 95?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Yes,Pikey fuel ftw.Some of it is sat arround in cans for months,so its pointless having a higher grade.

 

[Tom@JMS]

Indeed. Good effort.

 

[Jonny1*2]

with 35kg of ballast (to simulate 40L of fuel, yes i went about 5kg over, but the tank is drivers side biased) and me on board (cira 80kg depending on how well my morning drop off goes) the car is 1015kg

bit of a tw*t to do this one as we have 2 drivers experiencing 2 fuel loads, so we have to try and balance the understeer/oversteer associated with fuel loads, so trying to get the front/rear weight distribution right with/without fuel PLUS the camber, castor, toe corner weights yada yada yada

basically a never ending story, but i love doing setups


we found why the front left was locking up/spinning its tits off, it was missing 90kg of downward pressure Vs the drivers side - not far off a std cup infact

Interesting mate. Bet that took a while. Does it sit lob sided now without driver in?

 

[Fred@BTM]

on paper yes,bt you wouldn't notice it by eye

 

[gotboost?]

are those headlights from Fk or just open and painted ? tks

 

[Tony Hunter]

opened and painted

 

[Jonny1*2]

1ltr per min does not get you very far.

This is what worries me a little. I'm getting mine mapped on 95, but somewhere like Oulton which is roughly 2min per lap, fuel will disappear in no time. I'm suprised you manage to finish a race? Presumably refueling isn't allowed in tintop. I'm going to have to invest in some big drums to take with me on trackdays I think (not paying circuit price, robbing c**ts). Plus yours is a dam sight lighter than mine, so that will make it worse.

Is forced induction as bad Dave? what is the beast managing on track?

 

[Tom@JMS]

Do you just brim it Tony, or do you run a calculated fuel load?

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

Do you just brim it Tony, or do you run a calculated fuel load?

From what I've seen, they put quite a bit in for the practice session (which I think is 20mins, although I maybe wrong). See how much they used, and then for the 40min race would be roughly twice as much used.

I think that's roughly how they do it, but I'm sure Tony or Jay would know better

I don't think they've run out of fuel in a race or any session, but I know they've come VERY close. It's a bit of a gamble as they don't have a 'live' fuel gauge, they can only check the level when the car is back in the garage.

 

[Jay Payne]

its a 50 litre tank so we can work out how much we need roughly. we have finished races with 1/4 tank before but obviously with long SC period we use much less

 

[Jonny1*2]

what's the usual lap number/distance per race Jay?

 

[Jay Payne]

30 MIN Practice/Quali
40 MIN Race

So somewhere like Mallory its around 45 laps, where as Oulton its around 20 laps

 

[Jonny1*2]

Thirsty bugger hey I better start saving for fuel too. Usually do about 10-15 laps at a time on trackdays, with about half hour in between, so based on that i'm looking at nearly 4 tanks for the day including travel. I hope the noise is worth it

 

[Tony Hunter]

Thats another reason why doing track days starts to get close to racing,money wise anyway.We will use about a tank and a half all day.

 

[Jay Payne]

3 word update...............



Quaife, mmmm, Nice

 

[shiftspark]

I know Tony let the cat out of the bag last night he he !

 

[adam172]

i see the updaet on twitter when is brands?

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

Date is on their site

 

[Tom@JMS]

Good stuff. Have you got Quaife doing the crownwheel pre fitting?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Good stuff. Have you got Quaife doing the crownwheel pre fitting?

Done and finished,all ready to go in the car.

 

[Tony Hunter]

i see the updaet on twitter when is brands?

Sunday 8th May.

 

[Ollie82.]

Done and finished,all ready to go in the car.

The same as ours then! Well kinda.....

Good stuff lads! Looking forward to seeing you both at Brands.

 

[Quade]

3 word update...............



Quaife, mmmm, Nice

WOW! Fantastic news! :approve:

 

[Tony Hunter]

After lots of umming and arrrring,we decided to bite the bullet and get one.

 

[Jay Payne]

Originaly planned for winter '11/'12. we changed our minds to getting it done during our summer break and then decided to give it a go for getting it done for Brands.

Timescale was/is tight but we have some great people helping us and got it all done.

We had a scruffy old 182 box to use, it was in a real bad sate, needed almost everything replacing. bearings, seals, syncros, selector forks etc. Took it up to Agency, our gearbox builder, mid march, The old diff got sent off to Quaife about 3 weeks ago and they did the crown wheel swap. New diff with our C/W arrived on monday. Dropped off at Agency Transmission on Tuesday morning and the box was built back up before 11:30 the same day. So its all ready to go and all being well will be in the car by Sunday evening.

Thanks to Curtis at AST, Phil at Quaife and Martin at Agency transmissions, it looks like we shall go to the ball

 

[bomber]

I hate keeping secrets, glad it's out now lol

 

[Silent_Scone]

Nice one!

 

[Fred@BTM]

it looks like we shall go to the ball

if i feel like it you might