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Burpspeed Version 2: Race Car Build



  172 Race Car
Good first few laps there! tyres look like they need a bit of heat in to get some grip out of the tighter corners?


Yes the Dunlops are very much a race type tyre compound, when warm really, really good. Hence the need for us to get the toyos for damp/wet. R888's require less heatup as they are softer/more road based compound (IMO) so we hope the R1R's are similar but with more tread.

Its seams to be a little worse this year in early laps due to having a lot more torque now. thats what caught me out in quali, cold fronts and power understeer
 
  172 Race Car
Yes, it plods along well

Goes like a stabbed rat in fact. Can't thank Danny at 519 enough. As you can see it keeps up with the Civics in a straight line now
 
  172 Race Car
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  172 Race Car
Brands Hatch 2012 Race Report


So a long winter break was finally over and we were at the first meeting of the season.
Brands Hatch Indy Circuit had never been kind to us in the past, our best result being 10th last year. We were feeling more comfortable after our recent test and were aiming for a top 10 finish. The day started windy and cold but dry. Some prep work needed to be done on the car during breakfast including Ady from n2grafix doing his thing. The car flew through scruiteneering as normal.

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We were the last race of the meeting so it meant a long day for us. Qualifying was at 11:45 and having never done a start at Brands I took the first stint. The tyres took a few laps to come in and they caught me out as I understeered off the track at Clearways and had to Rallycross back on the circuit. Luckily I didn’t get beached.



Coming round to complete my 4th lap there was a Proton buried up to its door mirrors in the same gravel trap and the safety car came out. I’d done my 3 lap minimum so elected to hand over to Tony earlier than planned. The Quali session was shorter than usual at only 20 minutes and it was pointless for me to follow the safety car around when we could be doing a driver swap and tyre check. So it was down to Tony to do a time now the tyres were up to temperature (and a bit dusty) He was quickly into the 57′s and his final 3 laps dipped into the 56′s. His best being a 56.6, the kind of times we were aiming for. That was good enough for 7th place on the grid.

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During the lunch break we did the pre race prep and as part of our checks retorqued the wheel nuts. 8 studs were loose and one sheared off. The studs were new and had only been on the car 2 weeks. We had some lunch and a think before attacking it with various pairs of mole grips and got the broken stud out. We switched to standard Renault wheel bolts for the rest of the day. After that drama was over it started to drizzle a little. We went over to watch some other races and it didn’t appear to be making much difference to the times. As it was, it stayed dry for the rest of the day and our new treaded Toyos were not needed. Driver change practice followed as always. It took us a while to get it slick again after such a long break. September was the last time we did it. After that we had a little chat about how the car felt. Id only done 4 laps but felt the same as Tony
about what to do with setup. We made a small change to the front end.

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We made our way to the assembly area in plenty of time. The previous race was red flagged so there was a delay. Starts are a particular favorite thing of mine. The last few ive done ive been quite pleased with, so I was looking forward to lights out. Just before we were let out on the grid the marshalls informed us of oil around the circuit ‘in various places’ from the previous race. They didn’t have time to clean it up fully as the day was already running behind schedule. On the dummy grid I did a practice start. The track was flat where we were so I didn’t have to worry about rolling. The car slid to the right as I launched away, very slippy there, mental note made. On the warm up lap I could see there was oil off-line into Druids and Graham Hill Bend. We formed up for the start proper and the lights came on an went out with very little delay. Again the car slid towards the pitwall, I corrected it and the fronts started to grip well. The Fiesta in front was slower away and I had a little lift as I looked for space. There was just enough room on the right so went for it. In 2nd gear the car just took off and I was passed him easily. A big gap ahead of me started to close as the Cassar Proton gave me just enough room but I did just touch the grass as we went into Paddock Hill for the first time. In the dip Simon in the White Civic had a bit of a wobble and got a run on him up the inside to Druids. I was carefull on the brakes, mindful of the oil, he stayed outside that gave him the inside for Graham Hill. So at the end of the first lap I was 5th and keeping pace with the cars around me.

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On lap 3 Russ in the MG got a run up the inside into Druids. I tucked in behind him (which im annoyed with myself for) instead of taking the long way around. At Graham Hill Bend I took a bit of inside kerb and the car jumped out of 3rd gear. Mark in the Civic behind had to jink left quickly to avoid me and he was passed. 2 places lost in 2 corners. Id told Tony I wasnt going to do anything heroic but I needed to try to keep places and pace. 2 laps later and I was pushing to keep up, it jumped out of gear again over the kerbs, lost me ground and a lap later at Druids a Fiesta went the long way round and we touched several times as he slipped by. Again it jumped out of gear over the kerbs and I lost another place a lap later, we were now 9th.

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Picture courtesy of Nick at Sportstock.co.uk

At around lap 10, Once I had nothing in my mirrors I managed to drop my times into the 56′s and keep the gap to the cars in front. We were about 15 seconds back from the leaders but maintaining the gap as they were in traffic. 15 seconds we could make up with a good pitstop so all was not lost. On lap 14 I came across the aftermath of an incident between Simon in the Civic and Nigel in the Integra. Simon had lost it coming into Druids and hit the back of the Integra. Nigel managed to recover to the pits to have the damaged rear bumper removed but the Civic was beached in the gravel and brought out the safety car.


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As I passed the pits next time, Nick held out the board to bring me in. I joined the end of the safety car snake at the start of the next lap and pitted next time by. As we were so close to the safety car when we came in, Tony got back out while the exit was still open and rejoined the queue behind the safety car. The gamble had paid off as we were now 4th on the road with 2 cars ahead still to pit. I was over the moon in the garage. We’ve lost out to safety cars before but this time it worked in our favour. A lap later it was back to green flag racing and Tony went on a mission. He had no idea if we’d lost out or gained through the pitstop/safety car period so just drove the wheels off the car. Lights ablaze, he had plenty of lapped cars to pass but kept his times in the 57′s/high 56′s as he did so. The 2 cars ahead pitted within a few laps and that left us 2nd on the road and heading for a class win.

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Mike Jordan was now in the very battered #85 Integra and trying to recover lost ground from the accident. In the garage we were frantically trying to calculate if he could make up the 40 seconds we had on him with 20 mins to go. He was around 2-3 seconds per lap faster so it would be possible he’d catch us near the end. Tony was feeling very comfortable in the car and started to ‘experiment’ pushing harder and harder to see what the car could do. It wouldn’t take Surtees flat though.



By lap 28 Tony was consistently in the 56′s and flying but Mike Jordan was in the 54′s and now less than 20 seconds behind. The inevitable happened on lap 37 and we went down to 3rd place but still 2nd in Class A and on for our best ever result.

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Picture courtesy of Nick at Sportstock.co.uk

Tony set our fastest lap with 1 lap to go, a 56.195, despite a scare into Paddock Hill Bend passing 3 wheeled Proton. The final lap was quiet and smooth. 3rd place was ours and a trophy for 2nd in class. a fantastic result to start the season and totally unexpected at Brands. Must have been the mascot.


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A huge thanks to everyone involved today. Chris for standing in as photographer, Nick and Mike for great pit work and Ady from n2grafix for his support. Cheers fellas.


 
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Great first race to the season at Brands! I must admit me and Mike missed the safety car boards at first so we thought we'd lost our chance of leapfrogging a few cars, we were lucky to get out the pits before they put the closed it also! Dont know how it worked in our favor but we'll take it!
 
  172 Race Car
It worked well, I think we'd of lost out big time if we pitted first lap of SC as the field was still so spread out, chances of getting a Red pit exit light would of been higher. Was the perfect call. Spot on chaps
 
Some great driving there lads, enjoyed the in-car footage and the car and engine looks strong, looks like a great job by Danny, well done.

Regards russ.......
 
  BMW 330ci sp/ 172Cup
Brilliant write up and 2 quality videos - that rallycross moment was quite spectacular. Had me laughing out loud on the sofa whilst the wife was trying to watch some TV:)
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Just watched that crash, close call. Can I ask a question. Obv your car goes like the clappers but watching the Integra and type r went past pretty quick. Are they in a different class? And I'm not being funny, was just curious.
 
  172 Race Car
Yep all in same class. Obviously they can drive and I cant. That Fiesta was a Class C car with 1.6litre engine. Doing 55's, Mental thing
 
  172 Race Car
I know, fact is we are on their pace this year it apprears. Just took me a while to get down to the times I should of been doing. Only had 4 laps in quali. Tony got the most out of the car but thats to be expected givien his experiance. if I match his fastest lap during a meeting im well chuffed. Learning all the time and a little annoyed I let those cars through but am getting better
 
  Oil Burner
How much of the 2 seconds between you and Mr Jordan was down to Driver/Not having much running time/car?

Really enjoyed the write up. Best of luck for the next round guys.
 
  172 Race Car
How do you mean?


The Integra's quickest lap prior to Mike Jordan getting in was a 56.0...... Fastest lap with him behind the wheel (and half the back end missing) 53.9

Tonys fastest in our car a 56.2....... Mine was a 56.6
 
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  Oil Burner
So how does the time difference break down:

Car - is the 2nd Integra driver slow (relatively speaking) yet still producing comparable times to you. So in fact the car is say 1 second faster than yours if You or Tony drove it. That barely makes sense to me lol - sorry i explained that poorly.

Running time - obviously with only quail and a race you get limited track time. Mike Jordan is hugely experienced and has driven the circuit a lot (I'm not certain if you and Tony do) Do you think with say a few practice sessions on Saturday you could knock a half second off your lap time?

Driver ability - How many seconds is Mike jordan really worth. Is he really that good. (i rate him massively as a driver btw - just intrigued)


I hope that made some sense lol
 
  172 Race Car
So how does the time difference break down:

Car - is the 2nd Integra driver slow (relatively speaking) yet still producing comparable times to you. So in fact the car is say 1 second faster than yours if You or Tony drove it. That barely makes sense to me lol - sorry i explained that poorly.
Its a quick car, some of the times it can do at other places is crazy. Its always been one of the front runners and the guy that owns/drives it (Nigel Ainge) has had it along time and done Britcar etc

Do you think with say a few practice sessions on Saturday you could knock a half second off your lap time?
Yes, without a single doubt. I started to get confortable/get into a rythum 2 laps before I pitted (my quickest 2 laps) the races/circuits weve done a lot are easier to get into. Although we did a trackday at Brands 2 months ago its not the same. we didnt push to the sme extent. I did a 57.0 on trackday and 56.6 in race. Shorter places like Mallory we can be up to speed within 5 laps, the car goes very well there and always has no matter what setup/spec weve had. If we had the money and time we would test pre race all the time.

Driver ability - How many seconds is Mike jordan really worth. Is he really that good. (i rate him massively as a driver btw - just intrigued)
well based on Monday hes worth 2 seconds around Brands. When he came to Oulton a few years back he was the only bloke below 2 minuites and came within a lap of winning dispite a 1 min success penalty. and at Donington last year he started dead last in the sports v saloon race and finished 2nd. He was 5 seconds faster than the next Tintop in the field and did a faster lap than the Caterham (with similar power) that won it
 
Great write up :) the pace from Jordan was crazy, he flew past like I was stood still as you say even without a bumper lol! Can't wait to see how you get on at Silverstone I might now be able to come down and watch/ help out if you need it as my diary has free'd up! I look forward to seeing the video's when I get on my computer :)
 
  Audi A3 TDI 170 B.E.
Great write up :) the pace from Jordan was crazy, he flew past like I was stood still as you say even without a bumper lol! Can't wait to see how you get on at Silverstone I might now be able to come down and watch/ help out if you need it as my diary has free'd up! I look forward to seeing the video's when I get on my computer :)

Shame you can't race, be good to see you again.
 
  182cup & 172 racecar
Some of the cars are pushing 260-289bhp, so yes they will be quicker.

We also drive with a little caution and mechanical sympathy, we are not loaded and cannot afford big bill's after every race.

I'm happy where we are atm, it's a good place to be.:)
 
  Chase Racing Clio
Tony, Jay, I think you've done a great job to get where you are today and that was reflected in a great result at Brands.

I wish there was some kind of restriction on people with super expensive cars like that integra....that thing has had thousands plowed into it off the back of the production class that used to exist in BTCC! I hate it when money wins at the lower tiers of motorsport. Here's to cheap fun racing I say!!
 
  182cup & 172 racecar
Tony, Jay, I think you've done a great job to get where you are today and that was reflected in a great result at Brands.

I wish there was some kind of restriction on people with super expensive cars like that integra....that thing has had thousands plowed into it off the back of the production class that used to exist in BTCC! I hate it when money wins at the lower tiers of motorsport. Here's to cheap fun racing I say!!

Trouble is, you get it everywhere in any Motorsport. Get that shed out at Silverstone. ;)
Brilliant result guys! Great start to the season!

Onwards and upwards then!!!

Cheers Chrispy.
 


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