Clio 182 vs Seat Ibiza Cupra

[mahaw182]

Which is quicker both stock. cheers

 

[Šįk]

182

 

[tyranical]

Stock for stock. The clio.

With a remap on the Ibiza, its a different story (in a straight line, anyone who says "yeh but in the twistie...s" will get nailed up the arse with a truncheon, by Lusty.)

/closethread.

 

[Poopensharten]

If you remap the Cupra the Cupra will be remapped and the 182 will be standard, so if the Cupra is re-mapped we are then comparing a modified car to a stock car meaning that you will need a clutch for the re-mapped Cupra, while your doing the clutch change on the 678 ATW power Cupra the 182 will be winning the race.

The 182, to answer your question.

 

[Jordi17]

182 would destroy it

 

[_williams_]

Depends what cupra, the old 150hp or the newer model (2004 on) which is 180hp

 

[_williams_]

If you remap the Cupra the Cupra will be remapped and the 182 will be standard, so if the Cupra is re-mapped we are then comparing a modified car to a stock car meaning that you will need a clutch for the re-mapped Cupra, while your doing the clutch change on the 678 ATW power Cupra the 182 will be winning the race.

The 182, to answer your question.

A simple remap will not require a new clutch, I ran a remapped polo GTi for a year on the original clutch no problem

 

[Poopensharten]

You will really, really struggle to find someone who cares less than i do.

 

[_williams_]

Which is quicker both stock. cheers

You looking at buying one or just curious?

 

[aucky]

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/

 

[Dave.]

I had one prior to the 182, standard the 182 will pish on it

 

[gaz44]

Funny how even when the OP says "stock" the word remap enters play.

Are we talking the proper Cupra or the petrol one because the proper Cupra will literally smoke a 182 all day.

 

[Cooksport]

You will really, really struggle to find someone who cares less than i do.

Looool!!

 

[SteveS Cup]

I used to have the proper mk3 Cupra and as standard a 182 would rape it.

The Cupra is cheap to modify and get serious gains. But considering they're both "hot hatches" they couldn't be more different!

 

[SteveS Cup]

I would love to find a "standard" one today though!

Near enough all of them will have atleast a Stage 1 map... so if a mate of yours has bought one thinking it's standard and has told you that then there's a high possibility it's not!

 

[not normal dan]

my pal has a 51 plate ibiza cupra with a stage 1 jabbasport map, jr racing filter an exhaust an decat an my 172 is still infront!

 

[Dave.]

I used to have the proper mk3 Cupra and as standard a 182 would rape it.

The Cupra is cheap to modify and get serious gains. But considering they're both "hot hatches" they couldn't be more different!

^^^^^ This 100%^^^^^

 

[gaz44]

Is this the 150?

 

[Dave.]

156 bhp 1.8 20v T

 

[SteveS Cup]

my pal has a 51 plate ibiza cupra with a stage 1 jabbasport map, jr racing filter an exhaust an decat an my 172 is still infront!

Really? I'm not wanting this to turn into a "you're chatting s**t" thread but... his Ibiza must be running like a bag of s**t or he couldn't drive a stick up a sheeps arse... my Ibiza with a Revo map and fook all else managed a 14.2s 1/4 mile... a std 172 could never do that.

 

[gaz44]

Ah, okay. Can't be a huuuge difference in performance?

 

[tyranical]

Funny how even when the OP says "stock" the word remap enters play.

Are we talking the proper Cupra or the petrol one because the proper Cupra will literally smoke a 182 all day.

Proper cupra or petrol?

Petrol is surely the proper cupra (I may be biased with a petrol FR ) and the diesel one will never smoke a 182, it would never be infront to be able to "smoke" it with its diesel smog.

 

[gaz44]

Proper cupra or petrol?

Petrol is surely the proper cupra (I may be biased with a petrol FR ) and the diesel one will never smoke a 182, it would never be infront to be able to "smoke" it with its diesel smog.

LOL FR boy.

The proper Cupra can actually outdrag a 182.

 

[tyranical]

FR boy with remap. Get it right.

I'm sure it could outdrag it but only when you get to silly speeds.

 

[gaz44]

FR boy with remap. Get it right.

I'm sure it could outdrag it but only when you get to silly speeds.

And then comes the smoke.

 

[chris_p]

The clio would give it a hiding in all aspects. 132bhp/ton vs 170bhp/ton, it's not rocket science!

With a remap they will be very similar, I would have thought the beeza would pull a lead over 100.

The clio is a far better hot hatch imo

 

[Dink]

The clio would give it a hiding in all aspects. 132bhp/ton vs 170bhp/ton, it's not rocket science!

With a remap they will be very similar, I would have thought the beeza would pull a lead over 100.

The clio is a far better hot hatch imo

how heavy are the cars?

also has it been worked out what ibiza cupra?

 

[davo172]

my pal has a 51 plate ibiza cupra with a stage 1 jabbasport map, jr racing filter an exhaust an decat an my 172 is still infront!

LOL Has the cupra done 400000 miles and got a boost leak !!! ?

Really? I'm not wanting this to turn into a "you're chatting s**t" thread but... his Ibiza must be running like a bag of s**t or he couldn't drive a stick up a sheeps arse... my Ibiza with a Revo map and fook all else managed a 14.2s 1/4 mile... a std 172 could never do that.

Agreed (and nicely put !) if it was my cupra I would be taking it back to jabba sport , my mate used to own one similar spec to above revo exhaust intercooler and that was quicker than my 172 easy :approve:

 

[_williams_]

The clio would give it a hiding in all aspects. 132bhp/ton vs 170bhp/ton, it's not rocket science!

With a remap they will be very similar, I would have thought the beeza would pull a lead over 100.

The clio is a far better hot hatch imo

Speaking from experience (my polo had the same 150hp engine as a mk3 cupra) the 182 would defiantly piss it, once remapped though it was a different story altogether

The mk4 petrol on the other hand shouldn't be far behind stock v stock,

Mk4 diesel has no chance whatsoever against any of the above, I owned one and that I'm sure of!

 

[gaz44]

Speaking from experience (my polo had the same 150hp engine as a mk3 cupra) the 182 would defiantly piss it, once remapped though it was a different story altogether

The mk4 petrol on the other hand shouldn't be far behind stock v stock,

Mk4 diesel has no chance whatsoever against any of the above, I owned one and that I'm sure of![/QUOTE]

Clearly, it does in terms of straight line performance. I've owned both too.

 

[Dink]

Speaking from experience (my polo had the same 150hp engine as a mk3 cupra) the 182 would defiantly piss it, once remapped though it was a different story altogether

The mk4 petrol on the other hand shouldn't be far behind stock v stock,

Mk4 diesel has no chance whatsoever against any of the above, I owned one and that I'm sure of!

the polo shares the same engine as the mk4 ibiza fr

 

[Cliotoby]

Ive been in a new 180bhp eat your pizza, and the 182 would mate it in the rear. They seem to run out of puff at about 80 and lose pace pretty badly. Still faster than my GT but as they say... theres no replacement for....displacement ?

 

[_williams_]

Speaking from experience (my polo had the same 150hp engine as a mk3 cupra) the 182 would defiantly piss it, once remapped though it was a different story altogether

The mk4 petrol on the other hand shouldn't be far behind stock v stock,

Mk4 diesel has no chance whatsoever against any of the above, I owned one and that I'm sure of![/QUOTE]

Clearly, it does in terms of straight line performance. I've owned both too.

I beg to differ, I don't see how a 160hp derv can keep up with a 182 let alone pass it!!

 

[Scrooge]

All about the torque!

 

[_williams_]

Hmmm ... I still wouldn't have fancied my chances against a 182! Maybe after a remap but ... !

 

[Scrooge]

If you think about it most 172s dont even make near that mark, most vag diesels make more than book figures usually and the torque of the diesel more than makes up for the weight difference so it would be pretty close if you ask me.

 

[DNP182]

Disagree with some of the posts mentioned so far...I owned a182 for 4 years, owned an r27 for 2 years and now own Ibiza Cupra Bocanegra...so think I am pretty well placed to comment. A 182 will not p*ss all over 180bhp 2010/11 cupra, especially on the straights or from a stand still...can guarantee it.

I don't care what Parker says or any other article says about 0-60 times...there is very little between the performance of these cars. Both cars rev up past 7k, but with the crappy 182 gear box, compared to the DSG on the cupra, there is absolutely no way you can change gears anywhwere near as quick! HOWEVER...the Clio will definitaley corner better than the Cupra...BUT that is not to say that the Cupra doesn't corner well, because it does. Both cars are weighing similar and both are putting out much the same bhp...DSG v Manual does make a difference.

The Clio is more chuckable and I very much still have a soft spot for the fast Clios...I would have another 182 no problem. However, with people spouting off, Clio 182 will rape Cupra (2010) blah blah blah...your are wrong! Stock for Stock, very little, if anything in it!

Also, this idea that the Cupra runs out of puff after 80mph...lmao.

All IMO and experiences of course

On a side note, if you are in any doubt about the quick shift of DSG compared to manual, check this out...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/249584/

Manual is great as a 'driver's car', and DSG isn't without its problems, but having experienced both, I have become a firm believer in DSG.

If it is the older Cupra that the OP is referring to, I can't comment because I don't know.

 

[kev182cup]

I had a good sport with a mapped cupra in my 182 and 182 still wins. Same with the Leon as my mate had his mapped.

 

[Craig.H]

The problem here is too much idiots get the cupras (156 bhp) mapped by idiots, they pretty much just turn thr boost up and its crap.

I have a 182 with full system and decat, my friend has a 2000 cupra with exhaust filter and decat and I got away, but only just. He got his mapped properly, on rollers and live mapping and it completely destroyed the 182

Standard for standard the clio will win, mod the cupra properly and it will win all day....well until the clutch goes.....

 

[SteveS Cup]

We're now talking about the 2010 cupra!? WTF!?

Isn't that the 1.4 sc / tc lump?

So far we've discussed a 20vt, pd160 and now a f**king 1.4 automatic!?

I knew there was a reason I normally stayed out of these threads!