Ph1 172 & Clio DCi
Please put a build thread up! I want to see all the parts you've got.
Are you aware just how much intercooling your going to need to get to 200mph?
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Clio 4 RS VS Fiesta ST EcoBoost
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Please put a build thread up! I want to see all the parts you've got.
Are you aware just how much intercooling your going to need to get to 200mph?
RDH
ClioSport Club Member
Sounds gay.
Lol no, what I'm saying is that I have more torque with a standard turbo, never mind once my big turbo build is complete.
A TTRS with a hybrid turbo at 500hp has already hit 200mph at Nardo.
RDH
ClioSport Club Member
And that is useful on the way to work because....
No I believe its someone with a slow, lardy, boring r32
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Err, Clio 4 RS vs Fiesta ST EcoBoost anyone?
Take your childish TT pi$$ing competition elswhere please.
Thank you.
Take your childish TT pi$$ing competition elswhere please.
Thank you.
S4 Avant
You literally sound like a small child with 'daddy issues'.
As for the ST vs 200, interested to see the RS in the flesh as with the ST before making a decision on which I prefer. In reality though I do t think I would buy either brand new, but from what I've read the engines will have potential to make it really fun for what it is.
The promised Fiesta ST vs. Clio R.S. mini comparison:
Both cars are very comparable - modern, turbocharged, with about the same power, quite "normal" from both outside and inside, full of modern technology etc. They both have great seats, good handling, enough torque whenever you ask for it etc.
Yet, Fiesta felt somehow less of a hot hatch than the Clio. I'll give a couple of examples:
The Engine: Fiesta's engine is certainly capable enough but it is just a standard EcoBoost engine and feels almost too polished for a hot hatch. Clio has a similarly spec'd engine but it feels more special and sounds is better (much better, IMO). This makes quite a difference in higher revs where in Clio, you have a nice sound that you will enjoy while the Fiesta feels like it's just noisy for no particularly good reason. Bad for longer trips on a motorway.
The Chassis: Fiesta's is stiff and quite uncomfortable in the city or on bumpy B-roads. That's not a criticism, many cars do that and I would accept it. But then you drive the Clio and wonder how they did that - I drove a Cup chassis and even that was very comfortable in low speeds while still allowing sporty ride in higher speeds. You can feel that in Renault Sport, they did something special to the suspension. In Ford, they have just lowered and stiffen it.
So, both cars are great but the Clio certainly felt more special, while the Fiesta felt "only" like a standard Fiesta with a strong engine and stiff suspension. Of course there are fundamental differences that you may not "forgive" the Clio like the AT but if you're fine with that, and the five doors (which I actually consider a plus), I think the Clio is a better car worth the higher price.
Both cars are very comparable - modern, turbocharged, with about the same power, quite "normal" from both outside and inside, full of modern technology etc. They both have great seats, good handling, enough torque whenever you ask for it etc.
Yet, Fiesta felt somehow less of a hot hatch than the Clio. I'll give a couple of examples:
The Engine: Fiesta's engine is certainly capable enough but it is just a standard EcoBoost engine and feels almost too polished for a hot hatch. Clio has a similarly spec'd engine but it feels more special and sounds is better (much better, IMO). This makes quite a difference in higher revs where in Clio, you have a nice sound that you will enjoy while the Fiesta feels like it's just noisy for no particularly good reason. Bad for longer trips on a motorway.
The Chassis: Fiesta's is stiff and quite uncomfortable in the city or on bumpy B-roads. That's not a criticism, many cars do that and I would accept it. But then you drive the Clio and wonder how they did that - I drove a Cup chassis and even that was very comfortable in low speeds while still allowing sporty ride in higher speeds. You can feel that in Renault Sport, they did something special to the suspension. In Ford, they have just lowered and stiffen it.
So, both cars are great but the Clio certainly felt more special, while the Fiesta felt "only" like a standard Fiesta with a strong engine and stiff suspension. Of course there are fundamental differences that you may not "forgive" the Clio like the AT but if you're fine with that, and the five doors (which I actually consider a plus), I think the Clio is a better car worth the higher price.
so you take the morale high ground, then join in and become a plank.
you are confused!
We are now getting comparisons from real people who have driven both, sounds like a good battle, but I know where my money is on with regards which will be better to drive for those likeminded enthusiasts like we are.
There is an interesting test in Auto Bild this week, comparing Clio R.S., Fiesta ST, 208 GTi, Corsa OPC and Polo GTI. The overall winner was Polo GTI but that's because the score sheet is mainly for standard cars so things like leg room, economy etc. matter. However, for the ones who seek every day usability coupled with driving fun on B-roads (I am certainly one of them), the winner in categories Comfort and "Driving dynamics" (things like driveability, handling, traction, brakes etc.) is Clio. Fiesta ST has almost the same score in "Driving dynamics" (Clio wins by one point only) but it significantly less comfortable to drive.
I would agree with the scores according to my experience.
I would agree with the scores according to my experience.
Clio 2.0 RS 172 Ph1
Ah haaaaa, Then Renault make the Clio RS more grown up... and the forum rejects it.
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
...and back on track, Autoexpress' first drive on UK roads...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/63788/ford-fiesta-st-2
Could they gush any more than that?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/63788/ford-fiesta-st-2
Could they gush any more than that?
LY 200
As they did with the 182 at first and the 197 and then the 200!
Those same people that hate them now will love them once they become more affordable....
Close thread/
Yeeeeeeeaaaaah.
Closing the thread at that point is a better option than keeping it going judging by some of the drivel in the last few pages. It's just turned into a **** fight by the looks of it.
Pain in the ass going through all the grap to find genuine reviews and links to road tests etc.
Pain in the ass going through all the grap to find genuine reviews and links to road tests etc.
So its okay for someone to post a genuine review with their own opinion for it to just be swamped with pointless drivel and **** fighting?
RDH and PovertyRS sound like a pair of school children having an argument. What's the point in the thread if its just for childish bickering? It's titled Fiesta VS Clio no? So I came in here expecting to see peoples opinions on the 2 different cars, incorrect or correct it's still nice to see other peoples opinions.
I wasn't suggesting his was the one and only correct opinion I was pointing out that his post was completely overlooked and the bickering continued. Any way now we're just adding to the drivel so I'm out
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RDH
ClioSport Club Member
Opinions from people who've probably never seen one, let alone drive one. Despite some of the spam in here, most of its just hot air and speculation anyway.
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Group tests out today;
Autocar
1st - Fiesta ST
2nd - Clio 200T
3rd - 208 GTi
AutoExpress
1st - Fiesta ST
2nd - 208 GTi
3rd - Clio 200T
Interesting...
Autocar
1st - Fiesta ST
2nd - Clio 200T
3rd - 208 GTi
AutoExpress
1st - Fiesta ST
2nd - 208 GTi
3rd - Clio 200T
Interesting...
Clio 2.0 RS 172 Ph1
Right..Lets re brand this Fiestasport forum then....
or not.
You remind me of this Mark.
Fair enough your happy with the Ford, I am happy for you. But please stop ramming it in my face.
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MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Sorry John, I thought this thread had Fiesta ST EcoBoost in the title...
Clio 2.0 RS 172 Ph1
I understand that, and I'm really happy for you. Honestly i think the Ford is good looking and from what I have read a very handy little car. Your enthusiasm is just a bit much for me
I understand that, and I'm really happy for you. Honestly i think the Ford is good looking and from what I have read a very handy little car. Your enthusiasm is just a bit much for me
Behave mate. If anything Mark has been very unbiased considering he ordered one!
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
I'd have had a Clio over the ST if I could, but for an extra 3k it makes no sense whatsoever.
My mind was made up, I was going to visit the Renault dealer and order, but with positive ST comments on Twitter from the Harris I gave Ford one chance to hook me and they did.
Part of me still thinks I should have gone Clio for the softer easier life LOL
Oh well, another 5ys 100k in a headbanger for me.
My mind was made up, I was going to visit the Renault dealer and order, but with positive ST comments on Twitter from the Harris I gave Ford one chance to hook me and they did.
Part of me still thinks I should have gone Clio for the softer easier life LOL
Oh well, another 5ys 100k in a headbanger for me.
