How is it not in the same market as a golf?
5 doors, the same size, auto etc...
5 doors, the same size, auto etc...
It's not the same size though, the Clio is smaller and lighter. Not to mention £7k cheaper.How is it not in the same market as a golf?
5 doors, the same size, auto etc...
Megane is the direct comparison to the golf but I see what you mean.It's not the same size though, the Clio is smaller and lighter. Not to mention £7k cheaper.
It's not a cracking car. It would of sold better if it were. It's not as much fun, not as quick, not as economical as the fiesta. It's not as well built as a mini. It's fugly.It's nothing like a Golf. The 200 EDC is a cracking car, I could genuinely see myself having one as a daily, but I don't have £16k spare to buy one and I don't need a car for work so having a newish car makes zero sense.
But just to clarify, very good chassis, quick and comfortable, 5 doors combined with the lower emissions/tax etc makes it a really good hot hatch.
The people that were in the market for one, would probably tell a different tale today if Renault had some decent customer service.
List price means bugger all these days. It's a monthly outgoing for most folk. And a golf isn't massively more expensive, but it's the far nicer car.It's not the same size though, the Clio is smaller and lighter. Not to mention £7k cheaper.
It's not a cracking car. It would of sold better if it were. It's not as much fun, not as quick, not as economical as the fiesta. It's not as well built as a mini. It's fugly.
And 5 doors just isn't a bonus in this class. In the golf/meg class it is.
It offers a lot of things that buyers in the UK don't want or need, and doesn't offer what they do. For the UK, it's a failure.
I didn't disagree with that?Who mentioned a Fiesta? I've driven a Clio EDC and found it was great fun. You can't disagree with that.
It's not the same size though, the Clio is smaller and lighter. Not to mention £7k cheaper.
Not much smaller! Who cares about the weight? To average Joe on the street it's the same size as a golf. It even has 5 doors. They will buy a golf, a3 or even a focus over a clio.
The number of STs on here prove it's no longer the car it was.
They're still owners lol. That's the nature of modern car buying. If they were up at the same price, there would be more clio owners. But they'd still be massively outnumbered by fiesta drivers.I'm not sure I agree with the owners comment. There's not that many St 'owners' on here, more people who have taken the cheap lease deal. Maybe if Renault had offered the Clio at £200 a month there would be as many Clio 200T owners.
They're still owners lol. That's the nature of modern car buying. If they were up at the same price, there would be more clio owners. But they'd still be massively outnumbered by fiesta drivers.
But that's how people tend to run cars these days? I don't understand the point you're trying to make? Wether you view it as owning a car or not, that's how people tend to purchase cars?Leasing is not buying though. I agree that it's how a lot of people put themselves in new cars these days but they never buy it, they rent it.
Renault screwed up the launch of the 200T but it doesn't make the car bad. I've got an open mind until I drive one but on paper I like the sound of one as a daily.
230 bhp and 250ftlb for a few hundred quid and 35mpg average, and your knocking it. Stick that in your ST Golf pipe.
Oh.Fairly sure I've seen those 300bhp golfs getting 39mpg. Whoops.
Problem is I cant stand the Dealers, and the lack of support from the manufacturer when you have issues with the dealers! so im not sure ill be parting with the cash for one. I wish they would bring the 5 door ST to the UK!
Fiesta...
Clio...
It's night and day...
I think its just the red touches making it look cheap, lets face it they are both plastic tat.
I hated the mk4 the minute I realised they're still using leftover parts from mk3s on the interior et al.
Oh and the new Golfs are not boring, drive an R and come back and tell me it's boring. They've moved on since the mk4/5... by a long long way!