Clio/Kangoo Sagem Instrument Cluster Pinout/Wiring

[Ferdinand]

So for my honda engine swap im going to be using a megasquirt ms3x, it does support a CAN bus.
Im going to keep the sagem instrument cluster, i quite like the look of it and i feel it suits the car very well. My plan is to attempt to reverse engineer it. Ive found some documents that give pinouts for the starndard io signals, so ill just verify those and hopefully get them all to work (that should be the easy part). For the CAN bus side im going to get a CAN sniffer tool and see if i can decode the bus and get it to work that way, hopefully 🙈 im pretty sure its gonna be a b**ch.

So if anyone has any info on how this instrument cluster works it would be greatly appreciated, i just want to gather as much info on it as i can.

 

[kurai]

I subscribe to this because I am really really interested into it!!!

 

[Ferdinand]

So ive started with this process.
So far im able to read CAN messages from the gauge cluster.

I created this exel spreadsheet that i will be updating as i go, i probably wont be posting on the forum.


Sagem instrument cluster info:
Kangoo 2004 1.4l petrol
X76 CAN EU
P8200251363

 

[Ferdinand]

A link to the google drive folder

Renault Kangoo 2004 CAN BUS/Wiring – Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[Ferdinand]

Has anyone seen this before or know what it could be.
Its a message that gets sent from the ecu onto the can bus and if i change the last two bytes it shows that on the instrument cluster display. By changing the byte values i can change the number displayed with set, 132 seems to be the max.

 

[hopgop1]

Cruise control isn't it?

 

[Ferdinand]

That makes sense yes.
My car never had cruise control so ive never seen it before.

 

[Ferdinand]

So i have pretty much full control over the instrument cluster, so id say it was a success. Videos of it working are in the google drive folder.

 

[Brigsy]

Great job. Its not easy to decode the canbus stuff.

 

[djris2]

I have 2004 Clio MK2 PH2 and i would like to fit a Sagem RS PH1 cluster in, would this help me aswell?

Regards from Slovenia

 

[Ferdinand]

Thats hard to say, im not entirely sure. If your car has a can bus to the instrument cluster and all the messages are the same(i expect they would be). Theoretically you should then just be able to rewire the instrument cluster pinouts and then it should work.

 

[djris2]

ive searched for pinuts but i cant find them, can you point me somewhere to find them?

 

[Ferdinand]

I have pinouts in that exel for the sagem cluster that has CAN.

Here is another pinout but for another gauge without CAN.

Dash Cluster pinout. Help!

OK, so I've been using the following two pictures to try and wire up a 1*2 cluster, and it's not playing ball. I have the dials sat in front of me with the dash loom connectors still in them, and it just doesn't seem to add up. I've managed to get to this stage by connecting what in left to...

cliosport.net

 

[djris2]

thanks, i saved the links and i will try it out as soon as i get stuff working i will report