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SLK 350
blink172 said:
Your eyes are deceiving you then:
182 Cup - 1060KG
172 Cup - 1011KG
Glasses please?
It may not be 100%, but i'd say thats going to be a pretty accurate time wise. Indeed speed isn't everything, but its just lame that they make the MK3 so god damned heavy, and yes its safer probably but if your travelling at a ton it doesn't matter what car your in, your going to be eating blended vegetables for the rest of your adult life (if your lucky). And as for the 40kg downforce, well it probably does get somewhere near that mark at max speed, but i doubt that at 50-80mph its going to make any difference what so ever. Wider tyres? That just makes it handle worse in the wet, and for a FWD car i really dont care what tyres are on the back.
However you look at it, unless theres something Renault haven't told us then this car isn't going to be competing with the Focus ST/Golf GTI/CTR in speeds of speed - and yes some may argue they are in a different class, but its not setting any records
Just wish they'd have gave it more power, and less weight.
Power to weight isn't the be all and end all!! I'll say it again - Gear ratios!! How does a mk2 172 that is heavier than a mk1 172 post the same 0-100 time as a Mk1 - Gear ratios!! How does a Citroen VTS stay near a 172? Gear ratios!! Forget the paper talk - Just wait until you've driven one. Chances are it may be slower... but there's still chance it might be quicker with a nice tightly stacked 3-4-5 in the new box.
Nippy white cup
Exactly....check out the 60-100 times
Chris
Chris
i agree with Blink, too much agro on here today. Its never gonna compete with the Golf Gti for one reason and one only. Its french and it hasn't got enough style and class ** wot wot** To quote that dude from 5th gear Plato, "The golf Gti is the only hot hatch i would turn up to a fancy hotel in with my girlfriend"
Can we lock the thread now please Mods, I've said it all.
To quote that dude from 5th gear Plato, "The golf Gti is the only hot hatch i would turn up to a fancy hotel in with my girlfriend"Can we lock the thread now please Mods, I've said it all.
Lee said:
I hope so.
And lets be honest, Renaultsport have never let us down yet. From the Valver/Williams to the 182/Trophy. Has there ever been an RS car that's not been at or near the top of it's class? Nope. I can't understand why people are writing it off before they've even driven it!!
MINI JCW
cliobuyer said:
Dont see the problem really, its just a discussion and the fact that power to weight ratio is probably the best judge of how a car will perform 0-100 its suprising that renault havent tried to beat the 182 figure.
Most people buy renaultsport clios because they are relatively fast and cheap to buy. Surely Renault will be hoping that a good percentage of 172/182 owners will upgrade to the new model but if it is not as quick i think alot of people will not change, even if the 197 is a better can in many other ways. Me personally if i was change my 182 i would go for a meg 225
I think a lot of people will change from their current model. So what if its a fraction slower? No doubt the tuning companies have already done thier homework and will have performance boosting packages available.
Think of it another way. It better sell otherwise Cliosport will become a classic car club.
Think of it another way. It better sell otherwise Cliosport will become a classic car club.
Nippy white cup
I heard it was nearer £15.5k but could be wrong.......and of course they very rarely sell at the initial price
Chris
Chris
Why not upgrade?? Because its not as quick?? 95% of the people who frequent this board will never take there car any where near a track and lets face it thats where you only get the full benefits of performance. TBH if i had the 182 that did 0-60 in 6,5 and the new one that did it in 6,9 but had a driving position that wasn't like sitting on top of a bar stool, and a sexier interior making it a nicer place to spend time, then sure i'll take the new one please. Does everyone forget that as good as car as the 182 /172 is its still let down by one of the naffest driving positions ever, I did 30,000 a year in my 172 you feel it when u do that mileage.
lets be honest, no one on this board can have a go at its performance unless yr gonna go on a track, otherwise yr just a traffic light warrior, living yr life a quater mile at a time.
lets be honest, no one on this board can have a go at its performance unless yr gonna go on a track, otherwise yr just a traffic light warrior, living yr life a quater mile at a time.
Clio 172 mk2
I've just seen the review in evo magazine and it does look more refined even if it isn't that balls out...got some great additions though like those Brembos.
I still prefer the current shape clio though but may change my mind when I see one of these new models in the Renault showroom.
I still prefer the current shape clio though but may change my mind when I see one of these new models in the Renault showroom.
Nissan 350Z
Its not so much the performance figures that disappoint me - in the real world theres not much difference to be fair...
But I would NOT hold your breath on this car handling better than the current ones. I've said it time and time again on this forum, despite the lack of any acknowledgement to it, that theres is a very good chance this car wont handle as well as the current oens. Why? Because it weighs 150 kg more for a start. Its going to have bigger wheels and wider tyres, it'll certainly be more user friendly, safer and as a consequence less involving. It'll probably have more driver aids.
As every new version of a car goes by, they become safer, less involving, and more insulated from the driving experience. This, I fear will be no exception and even if not, it still a LARDY car.
Now I do like my 182 for sure, but even I am willing to admit that perhaps its a bit soft compared to older clios. Compare it to the original 172 mk1, with its cable throttle, and smaller wheels, its going to have more feel and more adjustability than the more modern models. And going before that, the williams presumably had no PAS, no traction control, and full cables for the throttle. It would have been noisier and less refined. It may have been slower (no arguments please, thats not the point of this post), but i bet any money it was more involving to drive.
My Mk2 Golf GTI was a lot slower than the Clio, but it was a lot more involving too. The steering had much more feel. The throttle was far more adjustable, and in all, you felt very much like you were in control of a mechanical machine and not a computer on wheels.
So the new one will undoubtedly go round the "ring" faster than the older one because of its better driver aids and more grip, but it will be even less involving than the old one. I'd also like to add, too much grip in my opinion can also ruin a car. It was so easy to get my old golf sideways that it was just great fun. It also teaches you to respect the car a bit better.
So the new clio? Certainly more advanced and competent than the outgoing model in so many ways, but undoubtedly a driving experience further diluted by driver aids and safety and weight than ever before, and hence, not likely to be the same great drivers car.
And I say again, look at some new mk3 Clio tests - a few mention it in comparison to the old Clio and they almost universally say the old one was the better drivers car. This is easy enough to extraprolate to the RS model.
But I would NOT hold your breath on this car handling better than the current ones. I've said it time and time again on this forum, despite the lack of any acknowledgement to it, that theres is a very good chance this car wont handle as well as the current oens. Why? Because it weighs 150 kg more for a start. Its going to have bigger wheels and wider tyres, it'll certainly be more user friendly, safer and as a consequence less involving. It'll probably have more driver aids.
As every new version of a car goes by, they become safer, less involving, and more insulated from the driving experience. This, I fear will be no exception and even if not, it still a LARDY car.
Now I do like my 182 for sure, but even I am willing to admit that perhaps its a bit soft compared to older clios. Compare it to the original 172 mk1, with its cable throttle, and smaller wheels, its going to have more feel and more adjustability than the more modern models. And going before that, the williams presumably had no PAS, no traction control, and full cables for the throttle. It would have been noisier and less refined. It may have been slower (no arguments please, thats not the point of this post), but i bet any money it was more involving to drive.
My Mk2 Golf GTI was a lot slower than the Clio, but it was a lot more involving too. The steering had much more feel. The throttle was far more adjustable, and in all, you felt very much like you were in control of a mechanical machine and not a computer on wheels.
So the new one will undoubtedly go round the "ring" faster than the older one because of its better driver aids and more grip, but it will be even less involving than the old one. I'd also like to add, too much grip in my opinion can also ruin a car. It was so easy to get my old golf sideways that it was just great fun. It also teaches you to respect the car a bit better.
So the new clio? Certainly more advanced and competent than the outgoing model in so many ways, but undoubtedly a driving experience further diluted by driver aids and safety and weight than ever before, and hence, not likely to be the same great drivers car.
And I say again, look at some new mk3 Clio tests - a few mention it in comparison to the old Clio and they almost universally say the old one was the better drivers car. This is easy enough to extraprolate to the RS model.
Dutch 172 said:
Shut up!! Of course we can, that's the whole idea of this thread! You don't have to be Fernando Alonso to appreciate pace. And sure the MK2 isn't perfect, but look at TVR, Aston and not forgetting Lotus! As for your stupid 'traffic light warrior' comment, of course you never drive 'enthusiastically' any more do you.... You'd probably still have your 172 if you didn't get a fatty GTi with your company car allowance.
SLK 350
Agreed, i take my car to its limits a lot of the time on the roads and ok i don't try and get 140 out of it, but i do use the funny pedal a lot and i do appreciate pace, and handling.
Other point is people are always bitching about the driving position, but personally its fine for moi.
Agreed the new interior looks good, but if thats all you get for a 6-8k upgrade, then ill keep my 172 thanks. I don't see the need for upgrading when theres nothing to upgrade for.
Other point is people are always bitching about the driving position, but personally its fine for moi.
Agreed the new interior looks good, but if thats all you get for a 6-8k upgrade, then ill keep my 172 thanks. I don't see the need for upgrading when theres nothing to upgrade for.
