Coilover/suspension setup. Best value for racing???

[Mrowlboy88]

Looking for a complete coilover/suspension setup for a 182 clio 2005. What would you suggest is the best and best value for racing??

 

[imprezaworks]

When you say racing?

 

[Mrowlboy88]

Racing circuit racing. Done the first round and this is what needs looking at. Had stiffer springs but no good. Needs to be stiffer and lower. Any ideas??

 

[imprezaworks]

Ah ok mate. I rate my b14's but only a track car not race car

 

[Mrowlboy88]

What do you rate about them? Don't get me wrong when I say racecar I mean I only use on track and I doing the trackday trophy championship. This isn't a full blown factory car!! Just advice and experience on what people have used.

 

[imprezaworks]

I've only done two days, both at Oulton. Had previous cars with different setups, fk's, eibachs, cooksports. The b14's seem to ride well on and off track. The ast seems to be the 'best' but comes at a cost. Imo and not just mine, the b14's seem highly recommended. But on the flip side @bob the builder is mega quick and he was running apex springs, standard dampers lol. Driver over expensive suspension.

Assuming you are a good driver then a decent (not obscene money) coilovers would do you.

 

[bob the builder]

your very kind dan, but as said to be fast you dont need to spend lots.
try playing around with your front camber and toe, also your rear toe to give better turn in.just do a 1 thing and a little at a time to find out what suits you.
but on the flip side if you have money to burn you could buy some poo hot coilovers and pay to get them set up.

 

[imprezaworks]

Tbh rob the setup you had (budget, hope you don't mind me saying that) at Oulton speaks volumes about not needing to get carried away. I was shocked and impressed in the same breath, especially when you told me you had apex springs when we all know they are shite, aparantly.

 

[bob the builder]

cheers.Budget is an understatement lol. to be fair i have only run the apex springs and not even driven it with the standards so i have nothing else to compare them to.
just as a matter of interest what ones are reccomended?

 

[imprezaworks]

I like mine, 100% sure you would make them work better than me, lol

 

[MicKPM]

We've sold a fair few sets of BCR's to the sprint boys who have had great success on them.

 

[Steven_K]

I'm pretty happy with my spax RSX and bigger poundage Faulkner springs... I'm concious that I'm on the limit of the shock but it's a different car over the standard RSX spring setup.
I run a white line arb too ... Lots of adjustment if I need ... Not really had to yet ... Hard all the way

 

[TarkMalbot]

What do people recommend for a full on race car for the Tricolore Trophy? I can see you can spend £3500 for a set of AST but will I go much faster with these compared to a set of BC's for instance? What is a good compromise?

 

[NorthloopCup]

What do people recommend for a full on race car for the Tricolore Trophy? I can see you can spend £3500 for a set of AST but will I go much faster with these compared to a set of BC's for instance? What is a good compromise?

£3500 for Ast's??? Yeah if you are going for the 3 way adjustable setup, but more like £1400 for the sportline 2's or 5200's as they're now know as. That's what a lot of the mk2 Clio guys in tric trophy run.

 

[TarkMalbot]

I used that price as the most extreme price I could find. I was guessing not every car on the grid would have that sort of money in their suspension. Were you referring to the 5100's? I thought the 5200's are the ones I was referring to at £3468 for two way adjustable. 5100's £1650

I was hoping that would be the top of the range that people would use and the majority would be on something a little cheaper like the AVO for £1000 or BC for £700.

 

[Toomer89]

I've been looking at the AVO or BC coilovers, as I want something more track orientated. Would love AST's but can't justify the price tag. Was swaying more towards the AVO's just wondered if there worth the extra £300 over the BC's.

 

[DCELEC 182]

I run the bc's, well only fairly recently fitted some but only done one trackday so far.
Impressed with the overall build quality and fitment but have already found them (track spec springs) too soft in my opinion, with my setup anyway and trackday tyres. Front end more so than the rear, wheels tuck so far up inside the arch under heavy cornering they were touching the metal of the arch not just the liner!
I'd still recommend them but I'd say to anyone else buying them for track work to spec a custom set with much stiffer spring rates (400 ish as a good start point).

 

[NorthloopCup]

I used that price as the most extreme price I could find. I was guessing not every car on the grid would have that sort of money in their suspension. Were you referring to the 5100's? I thought the 5200's are the ones I was referring to at £3468 for two way adjustable. 5100's £1650

I was hoping that would be the top of the range that people would use and the majority would be on something a little cheaper like the AVO for £1000 or BC for £700.

God knows then mate. Mine are definitely 5200's and they weren't £3500. The 5100's will be more than up to the job for racing anyway tbh. @Tony Hunter runs these iirc.

 

[NorthloopCup]

I run the bc's, well only fairly recently fitted some but only done one trackday so far.
Impressed with the overall build quality and fitment but have already found them (track spec springs) too soft in my opinion, with my setup anyway and trackday tyres. Front end more so than the rear, wheels tuck so far up inside the arch under heavy cornering they were touching the metal of the arch not just the liner!
I'd still recommend them but I'd say to anyone else buying them for track work to spec a custom set with much stiffer spring rates (400 ish as a good start point).

I'd say 450+ up front tbh mate as mine is on 450's at the front and they're still a tad soft on my Ast's. That equates to a 80n spring and I'm planning on going up to a 90n up front and possibly dropping to a 400lb rear, so a 70n rear.

 

[Andy93]

I have the AVOs, fairly impressed but then again I've only had bilsteins, vmaxx and spax before

 

[NorthloopCup]

I used that price as the most extreme price I could find. I was guessing not every car on the grid would have that sort of money in their suspension. Were you referring to the 5100's? I thought the 5200's are the ones I was referring to at £3468 for two way adjustable. 5100's £1650

I was hoping that would be the top of the range that people would use and the majority would be on something a little cheaper like the AVO for £1000 or BC for £700.

Your right! They are that much! And I was wrong! Mine are only the 5100's, so aka sportline 2's. The sportline 1's are 4100's from what I can see.

 

[Tony Hunter]

But mine have been completely beefed up by Curtis, nothing like how they came out the box. :wink:

 

[DCELEC 182]

I'd say 450+ up front tbh mate as mine is on 450's at the front and they're still a tad soft on my Ast's. That equates to a 80n spring and I'm planning on going up to a 90n up front and possibly dropping to a 400lb rear, so a 70n rear.

400/450 wouldn't be a bad starting point I thought, I know mine are way too soft for the car so I may try some heavier springs but can't go excessive or will need revalving?
Do you race yours?
A mate has some gaz golds on the way with 650/450 springs so I'm interested to see how well they work. He was asvised to go for 800 up front by a guy who runs in the Ktec cup but that seems excessive to me?
I kind of wish I'd gone for the AST's but was only meant to be a cheapish track car (never happens like that does it and I've already started getting carried away)!
I might have to look into sending my bc's back for updating for 450+ springs over winter perhaps!

 

[NorthloopCup]

400/450 wouldn't be a bad starting point I thought, I know mine are way too soft for the car so I may try some heavier springs but can't go excessive or will need revalving?
Do you race yours?
A mate has some gaz golds on the way with 650/450 springs so I'm interested to see how well they work. He was asvised to go for 800 up front by a guy who runs in the Ktec cup but that seems excessive to me?
I kind of wish I'd gone for the AST's but was only meant to be a cheapish track car (never happens like that does it and I've already started getting carried away)!
I might have to look into sending my bc's back for updating for 450+ springs over winter perhaps!

Yeah you may find that they need revalving if you go much over 10% of what they're specced for mate. I've no experience of bc's though, so it wouldn't be fair for me to say/pass comment.
No mate I don't race mine. It's not something I've ever considered tbh as I've not got the right temperament for it. Lol!

Without trying to sound like I'm trying to sell you something, but you'll find that you'll need some significantly heavier springs to overcome the fact that the roll centres on your front suspension are compromised. They were compromised as soon as you lowered it. The end result is that your suspension is working harder to control the car basically.

800 sounds a bit on the stiff side to me, but I'm pretty sure the cup racers used to run in the region of 1000lb fronts! They were on slicks though.

The good thing I've read about the bc's is that it doesn't cost a fortune to get them revalved/serviced etc, and the other bonus is if you deal with @MicKPM you'll get first rate service. No bullshit, just honesty.

Ha ha! Yeah mine was supposed to just run a standard engine and nothing fancy............well that's that out the window then! Lol

 

[Cub.]

Your right! They are that much! And I was wrong! Mine are only the 5100's, so aka sportline 2's. The sportline 1's are 4100's from what I can see.

Rest assured, I certainly didn't pay £3.5k for my 5200s, although that is the list price. Steamy windows!

 

[NorthloopCup]

Rest assured, I certainly didn't pay £3.5k for my 5200s, although that is the list price. Steamy windows!

Are they definitely 5200's though? Lol!

 

[Cub.]

Are they definitely 5200's though? Lol!

Yep.

My supplier did me a rather large favour

 

[NorthloopCup]

Yep. :smile:

My supplier did me a rather large favour :wink:

So you've got the adjustable canisters as well then!

 

[-D4N-]

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/cubs-flamer-supercharged-cage-etc.612638/page-37#post-10785357

Look like 5100's to me

@Cub.
@NorthloopCup

 

[Cub.]

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/cubs-flamer-supercharged-cage-etc.612638/page-37#post-10785357

Look like 5100's to me

@Cub.
@NorthloopCup

Mmm. That's interesting. They do look like 5100s, yet my invoice says 5200. For the price I paid they must be 5100. Either way, they were a step up from the Billies.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Mmm. That's interesting. They do look like 5100s, yet my invoice says 5200. For the price I paid they must be 5100. Either way, they were a step up from the Billies.

Yeah I bet they're 5100's like mine mate. They can be upgraded to the 5200 spec though for the same price as they cost just for the 5100's. Lol!

 

[Breamy]

I had the sportline 2s on mine and they were absolutely epic. Not the best Road suspension ever but on track they performed faultlessly

 

[DCELEC 182]

Yeah you may find that they need revalving if you go much over 10% of what they're specced for mate. I've no experience of bc's though, so it wouldn't be fair for me to say/pass comment.
No mate I don't race mine. It's not something I've ever considered tbh as I've not got the right temperament for it. Lol!

Without trying to sound like I'm trying to sell you something, but you'll find that you'll need some significantly heavier springs to overcome the fact that the roll centres on your front suspension are compromised. They were compromised as soon as you lowered it. The end result is that your suspension is working harder to control the car basically.

800 sounds a bit on the stiff side to me, but I'm pretty sure the cup racers used to run in the region of 1000lb fronts! They were on slicks though.

The good thing I've read about the bc's is that it doesn't cost a fortune to get them revalved/serviced etc, and the other bonus is if you deal with @MicKPM you'll get first rate service. No bullshit, just honesty.

Ha ha! Yeah mine was supposed to just run a standard engine and nothing fancy............well that's that out the window then! Lol

Haha aways goes like that when it comes to cars and modifying them....massively addictive, I can't help myself either!!
I like the sound of the roll centre correction kits, am I right in thinking you do/well them? I get how they work and can see exactly how they would be beneficial in negating the need for excessively hard springs just to overcome the body roll issue once lowered.....could you let me know a few more details of the kit and a.) how much the kit is and b.) whether it's just a matter of bolting onto my existing hubs?
Cheers

 

[NorthloopCup]

Haha aways goes like that when it comes to cars and modifying them....massively addictive, I can't help myself either!!
I like the sound of the roll centre correction kits, am I right in thinking you do/well them? I get how they work and can see exactly how they would be beneficial in negating the need for excessively hard springs just to overcome the body roll issue once lowered.....could you let me know a few more details of the kit and a.) how much the kit is and b.) whether it's just a matter of bolting onto my existing hubs?
Cheers

Have a look in this thread mate. You are correct, I do the roll centre hubs. http://www.cliosport.net/threads/roll-centre-bump-steer-corrector-hubs.717989/

 

[NorthloopCup]

To summarise though @DCELEC 182 the price is £650 for your hubs to be modified and this includes all the machined items being zinc plated.
You then just bolt them back on to your car, set the geo accordingly and go out and enjoy a truly different Clio experience. :up:

 

[DCELEC 182]

To summarise though @DCELEC 182 the price is £650 for your hubs to be modified and this includes all the machined items being zinc plated.
You then just bolt them back on to your car, set the geo accordingly and go out and enjoy a truly different Clio experience. :up:

Great stuff, thanks for the info.....a friend and I were chatting about these last night and how being able to run lower poundage springs would benefit the cars handling/grip/compliance over hugely stiff springs to overcome the roll issues.
Impressive

 

[STEVE.M]

Front end more so than the rear, wheels tuck so far up inside the arch under heavy cornering they were touching the metal of the arch not just the liner!

I had this problem after installing the modified Renault top mount kits.
It would seem that the bearings sit a little deeper in the turret,allowing the tyre to contact the arch before the bumpstops prevent this.
My simple fix was to put two 16x2mm repair washers between the top mount bearing and the spring caps of the coilovers per side,cost £0.80.
I`m not saying riding on the bump stops is an ideal suspension set up,but is better than than trashing tyres till you get it right.
Damon Hill might have won his 1st championship if Willliams had a bit of 2x2 and a roll of gaffa tape in 1984.
Bet they had loads of tape,just no 2x2.

 

[STEVE.M]

typo error,1994.

 

[Joe S]

I have B14's and camber to both front and rear and its enough to hold up and compete with a friend with Spax 750 Cup Racing Coilovers with gripper diff. It does hang in there for the money.

 

[STEVE.M]

I have B14's and camber to both front and rear and its enough to hold up and compete with a friend with Spax 750 Cup Racing Coilovers with gripper diff. It does hang in there for the money.

Limited slip differentials are not permitted(750 club/K-tec 182 series rules)and the Spax is a control shock,with huge 850 lb front spring rate.
Just the job for hooning down your average country back road?