Cost of ownership update - £8,000 and 17,000 miles

[MarkCup]

Increased miles have seen the average monthly cost and pence per mile reduce, but there's no getting away from the painful cost of fuel and depreciation.

Depreciation has continued at £5/day...valuing it today at £8,490...which is fair I think.

The recent day at Llandow came and went without issue (I avoided the kerbs this time) but have since swapped the Yokohama AD08s front to rear to even out the wear (thanks Chip ).

The AD08s I've found to be very good as a day to day road tyre; the ride is far more fidgety from the stiffer sidewalls and there's a bit of a drone from them at times on certain surfaces but apart from that they've worn well considering they're a softer compound track tyre.

It looks like 10k may be possible from a set which considering that's exactly what Michelin PE2s gave me is a major surprise. I've tracked how they've worn since I fitted them (5,000 miles including two trackdays) but no fancy graphs;

F 7.5mm, R 7.5mm - 0 miles
F 6.7mm, R 7.3mm - 1,686 miles - pre Bedford
F 6.0mm, R 7.1mm - 2,110 miles - after a very hot dry Bedford
F 5.0mm, R 6.8mm - 4,381 miles - pre Llandow
F 4.5mm, R 6.5mm - 4,868 miles - after monsoon conditions at Llandow

As for their ability to deal with standing water? They cope admirably with just about anything unless you're full throttle and doing over 50mph while trying to turn...



Now for the data;

 

[Coops Mk1]

that's some serious dedication to cost tracking

 

[cliokid182]

not bein rude but you must have a very boring life . . . . . wtf!!!!

 

[Cookson]

not bein rude but you must have a very boring life . . . . . wtf!!!!

This TBH.

I assume the OP is an accountant, or something along those lines. As if I could be fucked counting up what I had spent on fuel etc

 

[HoneyBadger]

Nice work Mark; glad to see/know what the costs could be...

 

[DrR]

Yeah he has a well boring life doing all these track days....

I like info like this, scary how much it actually costs.

 

[Bluebeard]

Makes me feel sick.

What a hideous amount of money to waste on a car. And I spend more than Mark!!

ffs.

 

[Chip-mk1]

It is a frightening amount of money to own a relatively cheap car.

50p a mile is way more than most people would expect to be spending I would imagine.



As always, thanks for sharing, I seriously couldnt be bothered to do similar, so its good that someone can

 

[MarkCup]

not bein rude but you must have a very boring life . . . . . wtf!!!!

This TBH.

I assume the OP is an accountant, or something along those lines. As if I could be f**ked counting up what I had spent on fuel etc

Yup, accountant by trade.

Boring life? Nope. A simple Android app...10 seconds after each fill up is what it takes to enter mileage, litres, cost. That's it. Then the figures find their way into a spreadsheet which does all of the above. Any ad hoc costs get entered also...takes 10 seconds each time I buy something, which is quite rare tbh.

So it takes next to no time at all to do, but the benefit in doing it is HUGE in terms of understanding where your costs are and where you could, in theory, save some money (walk or get the bus basically!).

 

[Matt W]

Nice graphs.

Much prefer to not add these things up though!

 

[Martin.]

That's a lot of money!! Thanks for sharing. Some very interesting stats there..

 

[cliokid182]

Yup, accountant by trade.

Boring life? Nope. A simple Android app...10 seconds after each fill up is what it takes to enter mileage, litres, cost. That's it. Then the figures find their way into a spreadsheet which does all of the above. Any ad hoc costs get entered also...takes 10 seconds each time I buy something, which is quite rare tbh.

So it takes next to no time at all to do, but the benefit in doing it is HUGE in terms of understanding where your costs are and where you could, in theory, save some money (walk or get the bus basically!).

Each to there own. But i would never do something like this cant bebotherd, dont see the point in doing it, what have you gained from doing it lol working out how much it costs to run isnt going to make it cheaper to run, if im going on a short journey i never drive my clio becuase it isnt good for the car, and if your that botherd about saving money get a cheap crappy 106 diesel :/ just my opinion

 

[Chip-mk1]

Each to there own. But i would never do something like this cant bebotherd, dont see the point in doing it, what have you gained from doing it lol working out how much it costs to run isnt going to make it cheaper to run, if im going on a short journey i never drive my clio becuase it isnt good for the car, and if your that botherd about saving money get a cheap crappy 106 diesel :/ just my opinion

Hes gaining more in terms of knowledge about where his money is going by wasting his time doing this than you are gaining by wasting your time replying to a thread which apparently doesn't interest you.

 

[Toastfrenzy]

scary stuff when you add it all up - just don't tell Sam the Cup cost 2300 not 1500..lol

 

[Lal B3N]

I think its helpful, a good eye opener as I bet most wouldn't think it costs that much.

Would hate to see the amount I spend on fuel, bet its much more than that

 

[Djw John]

lalalalallalalalalalalalalala I'm not listening you cant make me read those figures and s**t myself blind when I realise just how much money I piss away!

 

[leeds_182]

Nice graphs but I already know its cheaper to walk.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Starlet_gt]

Interesting.... but I'd rather not scare myself working my costs out lol!

 

[Rob]

Whilst I like that you're very thorough and it's very accurate, if I worked this out I'd probably just sit and cry... so rather you than me.

 

[Tunst]

Id like to be able to do this but im thick as pig s**t

 

[Goodj]

OP has too much time on his hands, or not enough drama.

Cars cost money? Shocked.

 

[M26]

I have a similar thing but I use it to track all my finances, not just my car.

Takes 10 minutes tops at the end of the month to go through my online bank statement and add it all into the spreadsheet.

Helps me to budget for what I'm spending and when. No wonder the country is in such a mess if people aren't keeping track of what they spend.

 

[J.B.]

No matter how bad it looks there, these are still cheap cars to run compared to some. That's why I don't think about it too much, I kind of know in my head if I've spent too much on the car in a month. At least it's not a 12 plate Audi with finance at £300/month. I see it like that; imagine all these costs plus the finance some people pay!

But really Mark is spending quite a lot here, definitely a lot more than me anyway. It looks to be about 25000 miles a year, much higher depreciation, more spent on tyres per year than I would, more spent on repairs than I would in at least 2 years and pretty much everything on that list is high spend. I do have a simple google doc I use keep note of things I've bought for the car, and links to things I want to buy.

I used to do the whole shebang with recording everything I spent on a spreadsheet, but I found I could just bung X amount of money in the ISA every month after getting paid, and then making do on what's left.

 

[Sir_Dave]

Useful info as ever Mark - i do something very similar on Pistonheads. As ever though, depreciation is the factor that people forget - for reference, with its lack of depreciation at the mo, the R32 is circa 35p a mile iirc.

 

[Iain C]

This is why ive given up on track days. The cost is just tol great.
Ive given up on driving as much as poss tbh.

 

[RDH]

Yeah he has a well boring life doing all these track days....

LOL, because doing trackdays makes you a boss at life?

Interesting read, but as said, ignorance is bliss.

 

[Chip-mk1]

LOL, because doing trackdays makes you a boss at life?

Interesting read, but as said, ignorance is bliss.

He has a nice mrs who keeps is shape playing netball, he does lots of trackdays, he drives a nice car, he has a job he enjoys and clearly pays quite well etc, TBH if thats a boring life, sign me up for one too, lol

 

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used to get slated years ago as we used to always track costs on the race cars etc , and not counting things like depreciation , a simple track day 6 or 7 years ago was costing about £500 a day when you worked it all out.

Most people who race will have an idea of what the costs are else its pretty much impossible to work out a budget .

top work sir .

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah I always work to a ballpark of about 500 quid a trackday in terms of the real cost of it.

 

[Detail Chris]

Maybe I'm getting old but people on here are proper rude! Lol I you don't like what your reading don't read it!! Interesting read, as said ignorance is bliss, and you could be running something a lot worse, I.e something old with boost=money pitt!!P.s-markcup-is this the mark who had the 172 cup, and now u got a 197??
Chris

 

[hodgy21]

Boring life? Nope. A simple Android app...10 seconds after each fill up is what it takes to enter mileage, litres, cost. That's it.

What is the app called please?

 

[RDH]

He has a nice mrs who keeps is shape playing netball, he does lots of trackdays, he drives a nice car, he has a job he enjoys and clearly pays quite well etc, TBH if thats a boring life, sign me up for one too, lol

And where did I say he had a boring life? I was referring to the comment on trackdays, and that the majority on here seem to think that the people who do them are some sort of heroes.

Like I said it makes for interesting reading, but it isn't something I could bring myself to do.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Wasnt you that specifically said boring, was someone else, but was just replying to you as you were the last one discussing it.
Apologies for any implications you felt that was making, it wasnt.

 

[Chris Lewis]

I think posts like this are very helpful.

 

[imprezaworks]

Maybe I'm getting old but people on here are proper rude! Lol I you don't like what your reading don't read it!! Interesting read, as said ignorance is bliss, and you could be running something a lot worse, I.e something old with boost=money pitt!!P.s-markcup-is this the mark who had the 172 cup, and now u got a 197??
Chris

Yep

 

[Reev]

Jesus, so when you discount depreciation (as you don't actually spend money on that) you've essentially spent £650 a month on it! I didn't realise just how much of a money pit these things are.

 

[st3ve]

Looking into things a little too much imo but it gives a true insight I suppose.

 

[n2x]

Everyone saying ignorance is a bliss need some education about financial management. Takes only 10 seconds every once in a while and he can cut back on a trackday or two/cleaning the car himself/repairing the easier things himself and can save up money for a new car or a new tv or mortgage downpayment and not wonder why all his credit cards are maxxed. I for one, see it as an easy opportunity to save some extra cash.

 

[Donny_Dog]

I thought I'd start doing this. So the spreadsheet was created in my dinner and i began input the necessary info.

Got to morrisons to fill up and all was going well. I drove away with the passenger window down and out flew the receipt!

Ffs.

 

[Martin_172]

Jesus, so when you discount depreciation (as you don't actually spend money on that) you've essentially spent £650 a month on it! I didn't realise just how much of a money pit these things are.

my 200 in the 9 months i kept it cost me £1400 a month when factoring in depreciation.