Cup alternator???

[Nafoff]

i need to know whether i have been sold the wrong thing, the pictures below show what i have got...

the old alternator on the left, the new on the right (supposed cup alternator)

the label on the new alternator

how it sits in the cup mounts, you can clearly see it sits squiff and doesn't line up with the other pulleys...

i need to know if i am doing something wrong or if this is totally the wrong alternator.

 

[sideways danny]

wrong one. the cup one has the bolt hole that fixes to the tensioner about 30degrees furthur round. that's a standard 172 alternator

 

[Nafoff]

as i thought, better follow this up then.

cheers for the quick replies.

 

[Cro]

Only way I can see there being a problem is if its from a cup that was equipped with aircon

 

[Nafoff]

looked up so many threads for pics today, cro-clio you were in all....lol

we wondered if you could somehow thin down the mount / alternator to fit....may be an idea

 

[sideways danny]

I'm pretty sure the one on my 1.8 8v laguna is identical to a cup

 

[Nafoff]

yerp probably, i got the brackets from a 1.8 laguna

fancy a swap for a spanking new alternator lol

 

[sideways danny]

nope

 

[Nafoff]

didn't think so...lol

better sort something in some way then

 

[Nafoff]

danny do you know the part number by chance???? or know what year i am looking for etc etc

i am browsing ebay and think i have found some,

 

[Nafoff]

danny?

trying to find out myself also

 

[Nafoff]

anyone, need it quite badly

 

[sideways danny]

buy a new one from Renault

 

[ben_r1]

How much did the new alternator cost you? need one for a 1.4 clio but dont want recon'd

 

[Nafoff]

it cost me £80, i don't need it anymore, it is up for sale

 

[Nafoff]

buy a new one from Renault

i have bad memories of ass r*pe, i don't want to relinquish them with spending that much at renault....lol

 

[Nafoff]

any more ideas / confirmation of the above?

 

[lewvr6]

As said above- i fitted a laguna 1.8 8v alternator when i binned the aircon on my ph1 (along with the brackets etc of same laguna) Mk1 clio rsi(1.8 8v) will also have same alternator. F3P is the engine code of these 1.8 8v engines iirc. Plenty of scrap lagunas around to get one off i would think.

 

[Nafoff]

by chance can you find the part number or is there no chance

thanks for that above knowledge though

 

[lemonnobby]

neil ill have a look tomorro in work but normally there is a choice of 3

 

[Nafoff]

there is 4 variety's to choose from...lol

 

[Nafoff]

sourced a 1.8 8v laguna alternator, can't wait to try it.

 

[lewvr6]

Good work,will bolt straight. Only problem i had was that on the original alternator there were two wires-one for the charge to the batt and one small wire for warning light on the dash.

So on original alternator(and assume yours will be the same) this means the rectifier is self powered (internally), not so on the laguna alternator. So its just a case of powering it with a 12v feed,that is only live on ignition-i.e as per stereo power etc. You can feed off somewhere in the fusebox,or splice into stereo feed etc, make sure it isn't a permanent live or you will drain the battery.

I can take some pics of my alternator in situe if needed, let me know. When looking for a belt-i ordered a laguna 1.8 8v non-aircon but with pas,as it has exactly the same belt run you will be using(again mk1 clio rsi with pas non-aircon will be same)

Hope this is clear and helps!

 

[Nafoff]

brilliant help thanks chap, thought i had to do something on the wire front dam it, any pics would be a great help.

as for the belt, i had already ordered a 172 cup alternator belt

 

[lewvr6]

No worries, the ph1 elite need to be united!!

Ill have a go at some pics tomorrow(weather permitting!) Its straight forward really-I just got a little stumped when it wouldnt charge-as it needed the 12v feed. Front bumper off makes access a lot easier.

Surprising lack of info on cs, I thought it'd be a well trodden path but having searched around looks like people pay a fair bit of money for 'cup' set-ups. When you getting the alternator?

The conversion is worth the effort imo-my engine felt a lot keener and easier revving afterwards-particularly higher up the revs. Also got rid of the aircon compressor 'whine' and simplifies the aux set up so much-making belt changes etc much easier.

 

[Nafoff]

totally agree chap, will fire a pm over to you now

 

[Cro]

Hey ph-reebone any idea what the part number for the cup alternator is? Cit-ren sent me a 'cup' alternator this morning with part number 7700436671 which I think matches your standard one.

All after I started ripping mine apart... dammit

 

[Nafoff]

7700857873 i think is my new one...bit faided though, could be wrong

can't see a part number on the other one.....check the pics of all of them in my project thread.....you should be able to tell from pics

checked on my original phase 1 alternator and yes its the same code as yours above

 

[stacky]

HELP that long bolt on the bracket that has a nut on near alternator what does it do as my set up just has that bolt am i missing something, it goes into nothing ?