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pop over on williamsclio mate, u will get loads of advice on there.
www.williamsclio.co.uk
join the forum. but in general anywhere from 1500 to 4000 imo. some are up for more but i wouldnt myself pay anymore than 3750-3800 ish.
www.williamsclio.co.uk
join the forum. but in general anywhere from 1500 to 4000 imo. some are up for more but i wouldnt myself pay anymore than 3750-3800 ish.
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i swapped from a mint 13k cup to a pretty much mint 78k williams and have never looked back i dont want to start a flame war but there aint anything in it speed wise as i sold the cup to a good friend of mine and we have tested 
and its a much better driving experience, in my opinion anyway. Bit harder to live with, i see my old cup everyday and i dont think i made a mistake. Id say go for it
step over to www.williamsclio.co.uk great bunch of lads on there
and its a much better driving experience, in my opinion anyway. Bit harder to live with, i see my old cup everyday and i dont think i made a mistake. Id say go for it step over to www.williamsclio.co.uk great bunch of lads on there
rob172cup said:
it's false economy, I'd not if I were you. great cars, dont get me wrong, but if you have just bought a house you wont want to be spending money fixing an old car... they all go wrong unfortunately at 13 years old. apart from that though you'd be buying a much more fun car
You wouldn't save much on insurance, so you'd only be freeing up about £2k in cash I'd have thought mate, plus increased maintenance costs.
If money is this tight (and I only say this because it is for me also at the moment), maybe you're not ready to buy a house yet mate. I'm just not sure how far the savings would stretch when you're talking about property...
If money is this tight (and I only say this because it is for me also at the moment), maybe you're not ready to buy a house yet mate. I'm just not sure how far the savings would stretch when you're talking about property...
aah, well if it's only a weekend toy you have nothing to worry about then. i'd go for it in that case, just make sure it has a strong engine, it should pull fairly hard from about 3k and kick again at about 4'5k and make sure you find where the limiter is incase it's modded and being advertised as standard.
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My Williams is as mint as it left the factory 12 years ago. I've had it almost 3 years now and not had any problems with it (though ive been through tyres and brakes like no ones busniness!!), 30 mpg on avergage and use it everyday, currently paying only £390 per year fully comp with breakdown coverage and it looks the bees knees (I've always thought the Williams looks sooooooo much better than the 172 / 182). If that aint great motoring I dont know what is!!!!!!
as above...take your time looking for one....get a good un and the time spent looking will repay you many times over.
iv had mine over 4 years now..never had a major issue , apart from the kent cams lettin go, but thats nothing to do with the willys build quality......also....mine has hardly any squeeks rattles etc, is a lot quieter in that way than the mrs' 51 plate dci, and quite a few other newer clios iv bin in.
iv had mine over 4 years now..never had a major issue , apart from the kent cams lettin go, but thats nothing to do with the willys build quality......also....mine has hardly any squeeks rattles etc, is a lot quieter in that way than the mrs' 51 plate dci, and quite a few other newer clios iv bin in.
rob172cup said:
Im in the same boat as you mate... thinking about moving out selling the 172 and getting a cheaper car to run. Personally I wouldnt get a Williams to start off with, I would get a newer basic car that is more reliable and less likley to suprise you with a nasty repair bill, once you have bought your house and settled in for a year, think about getting a better car.
Im looking along the lines of a 1.4 Clio... not fast but will get me to work and back relatively cheaply.
Ah, I see. Well that makes sense but, as above, I wouldn't get something like a Williams. It would probably work out better getting some cheap to buy, run and insure so you can really save some money, and then go back into hot hatch heaven when things have settled down a bit.
I'm obviously not alone in thinking of the same sort of swap. Thinking of moving my cup on and going down the Williams route to spare up some dosh for a two wheeled project. Tried williamsclio to have a look round but seems to be down at the moment. Can anyone tell me if there any key differences in the 3 Williams models or is there a preferred model to go for?
My list of differences between the Clio 16v and Williams1/2/3.
Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences
Standard For All Williams Models
* Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
* 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
* Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
* Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
* Williams sill plate in black
* Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
* Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
* Blue Seat Belts
* Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
* No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
* Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
* Blue Gear Knob
* Blue Carpet in main cabin area
* Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
* Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
* Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
* Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe
Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
* Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
* Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
* Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
* Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
* Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
* Phase1 Heater Controls
* Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
* All were Sports Blue (449)
* Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
* Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
* Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.
Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
* Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
* More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
* Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
* Colour Coded, different style Grill
* Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
* Phase2 Heater Controls
* Again, All Sports Blue 449.
* Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
* Revised Williams Stickers
Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
* Electric door mirrors
* Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
* Introduction of rear 4" speakers
* Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
* ABS as standard
* Electric Sunroof as standard
* Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
* Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
* Revised Dashboard illumination
* Revised Williams Stickers again
Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences
Standard For All Williams Models
* Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
* 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
* Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
* Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
* Williams sill plate in black
* Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
* Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
* Blue Seat Belts
* Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
* No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
* Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
* Blue Gear Knob
* Blue Carpet in main cabin area
* Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
* Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
* Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
* Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe
Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
* Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
* Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
* Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
* Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
* Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
* Phase1 Heater Controls
* Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
* All were Sports Blue (449)
* Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
* Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
* Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.
Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
* Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
* More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
* Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
* Colour Coded, different style Grill
* Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
* Phase2 Heater Controls
* Again, All Sports Blue 449.
* Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
* Revised Williams Stickers
Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK
* Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
* Electric door mirrors
* Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
* Introduction of rear 4" speakers
* Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
* ABS as standard
* Electric Sunroof as standard
* Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
* Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
* Revised Dashboard illumination
* Revised Williams Stickers again
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