diesels are the future

[chiefsilverback]

At the end of the day though it doesn't matter who thinks what! Diesel technology is getting better and better and more and more people them.

The manufactures are investing hugely in Diesel engines and Audi is leading the charge. The car at Le Mans had no black smoke and rather than a tractor it sounds like a jet turbine.

We will have to wait and see, but the initial reports on the V12 Q7 suggest that some of this technology has moved over so you may well find in a year or so there's a big black Q7 'whooshing' past you with it's 500BHP and 740ft/lb making you feel like you're going backwards?

Personally I'd rather be in an F1 car sound-a-like Carrera GT with the V10 N/A petrol singing in my ears but that's just me!

 

[16vfan]

well diesel is going to win anyway because when we run ut of petrol it's going to be solid fuel sorce left

 

[16vfan]

well! diesel is going to win anyway because when we run out of petrol it's going to be the only solid fuel sorce left

 

[Munson]

well diesel is going to win anyway because when we run ut of petrol it's going to be solid fuel sorce left

Petrol and diesel are both refined from crude oil. When crude oil runs out there will be no diesels or petrols.

 

[gazcaddy]

if there was a turbo diesel, the same wieght as a 182 and 182bhp... it wud beat it =]

There would be nothing in it, to prove this, ill use an example of the new clio

DCI 106 and the 1.4 (98BHP)

so the diesel has 106 bhp v 98bhp for the petrol
the diesel has 240nm of torque v 127Nm for the petrol

But despite the petrol being down on bhp and torque the performance is virtually identical

0-60 DCI 106 11.1 v 11.3 for the 1.4
1/4 mile DCI 106 17.8 V 17.7 for the 1.4
0-1000m DCI 106 32.7 V 33 for the 1.4

(All stats are taken from the renault website)

The diesel costs (About £1500) more but i guess you would get that back eventually in MPG

 

[Neil G]

well diesel is going to win anyway because when we run ut of petrol it's going to be solid fuel sorce left

I think I'll be walking then when the petrol has gone lol

 

[Chewy]

Diesels Are s**t.

 

[16vfan]

Petrol and diesel are both refined from crude oil. When crude oil runs out there will be no diesels or petrols.

i know that but why is every1 worried about petrol running out diesel is jsut going to be the same!

 

[Neil G]

i know that but why is every1 worried about petrol running out diesel is jsut going to be the same!

O f course it is!

 

[McBunny]

the derv will keep running on its cooking oil

 

[tameracingdriver]

petrol would beat it all day long really. a Fabia VRS tunes to over 200bhp and 30million lbs/ft torque, yet is still slower. With all that torque weight wont make a difference either... although I'm sure the arguement will now change to suit the weisel lovers lol

Actually most owners not only over estimate the overall power of their car (I've seen many owners claim they put out as much as 160 bhp as STANDARD), but also over estimate what they chip to.

They can chip to 200, but not just with a chip - they need some serious extra modifications. The Ibiza Cupra TDI only chips to 195 bhp with a chip, yet that car is so much more suited to being chipped with its better breathing, huge front mounted intercooler and strengthened components.

At the end of the day, the TDI 130's will chip to 160 - 170 bhp and much more and you need some extra mods.

Its really quite simple. 170 bhp on 1300 kg of car = 130 bhp / tonne versus the lowest powered, heaviest Renault Sport variant the Mk2 172; 170 bhp on 1100 kg of car = 154 bhp / tonne.... theres only going to be one winner in a properly driven car.

 

[tameracingdriver]

the derv will keep running on its cooking oil

Only if its an old, ancient, low tech diesel. You cant run a modern common rail engine on chip fat

 

[tameracingdriver]

There would be nothing in it, to prove this, ill use an example of the new clio

DCI 106 and the 1.4 (98BHP)

so the diesel has 106 bhp v 98bhp for the petrol
the diesel has 240nm of torque v 127Nm for the petrol

But despite the petrol being down on bhp and torque the performance is virtually identical

0-60 DCI 106 11.1 v 11.3 for the 1.4
1/4 mile DCI 106 17.8 V 17.7 for the 1.4
0-1000m DCI 106 32.7 V 33 for the 1.4

(All stats are taken from the renault website)

The diesel costs (About £1500) more but i guess you would get that back eventually in MPG

Put simply, because as many of the weasal heads keep forgetting, the petrol revs higher, which allows shorter gearing, and therefore torque at the wheels is often very similar.

Also, torque is great for that initial get up and go in the mid range, but once you are motoring, its BHP that matters.

My old DERV used to spring forward when performing overtakes, but half way past i'd feel like it was struggling. Somewhat the opposite to the petrol, where it initially feels underwhelming, but powers past as the revs build.

 

[richlawson]

i would never buy one they sound like ur driving a transit van

 

[Neil G]

Put simply, because as many of the weasal heads keep forgetting, the petrol revs higher, which allows shorter gearing, and therefore torque at the wheels is often very similar.

Also, torque is great for that initial get up and go in the mid range, but once you are motoring, its BHP that matters.

My old DERV used to spring forward when performing overtakes, but half way past i'd feel like it was struggling. Somewhat the opposite to the petrol, where it initially feels underwhelming, but powers past as the revs build.

Yep..that's why I dislike them so much....the rev limit is just so low it makes them f**king boring to drive

 

[Gaz]

Only one worth buying is the Audi R10