I know they have different seats and the cup has no Xenons, or auto lights and wipers. But does the cup still have AC? and does the cup still have cruise control and speed limiter?
Thanks
Greg
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Greg
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Difference between Cup and FF
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Please search greg, this has been asked 500,000,000 times before mate,
the cup has thiner glass and has a wider track, air con was an option but most dont have it.
the cup has thiner glass and has a wider track, air con was an option but most dont have it.
Clio 172/182 differences/changes/facts on changes in production
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=162405
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=162405
I have already searched but couldnt find anything i dont think i have the privalages to get the info.
greg
greg
None memebr cannot read the thread
the part you'r most interested in is this
Phase 2 172
The phase 2 cars first came out on a Y plate many were dealership or test cars on this plate though.
Differences were the use of the phase 2 body shell, interior etc also engine was changed to a drive by electric cable type (engine code F7R 732). Later versions of the engine used the turbo head casting which isn't as good but the engine code and power output officially didn't chnage. UCH computer to control all the cars electrics was also added and the gearbox was also changed. Reduced gearbox ratios were used to help keep the 0-60 speeds etc the same since the phase 2 172 weighted a fair bit more but had no more hp.
Also the front suspension was change different redesigned driveshafts etc were used but the spec is similar. (see here for the details of spec changes????????????????????????????????)
The CD changer was changed to an optional for £300 then added as stock spec then later removed again (when crusie became stock spec). In the phase 1 it was standard. Most people took this option up but if they didn't the CD changer cable won't be there if it is there then the last owner has taken the changer out but not the wire. However the wire is £86 from Renault and they are the only stockist.
About mid 2001 though the gearbox was changed the speedo sensor was removed and the speedo input comes from the ABS system. The ratios remained the same.
On about mid 2003 models ESP was added. On later cars a button apeeared to turn it off it appears on the drivers ride hand side near the traction control button. It can be switched off and if it is a little triangle appears on the dashboard with a car sliding about inside it. If its left switched on (it always defaults to being on) if it is operating then the triangular light with a picture of a car sliding about appears. Some people like the system others don't. For track work most people switch it off. Some switch it off all the time.
On later 2003 models also cruise control and speed limiter was added. Its easy to tell if a car has it as there the extra buttons on the steering wheel itself.
Also clear side repeaters were put into production about 2003. (from orange)
There were foreign special edition cars made notiable the PS2 version although I've no more information on spec so its unlikly to be any serious changes.
At about 53 plate a cost saving measure to remove the door locks was done. SInce the cars are French and legally you only need one lock on the doors they remove there passenger side door. In the Uk we had to live with the fact we drive on the other side of the road they weren't going to go make cars with locks missing on our drivers side.
The cars came in unique colours only seen on the RS Clios.
Flame red paint code B76
Monaco blue paint code 432 pearlescent
Iceburg silver paint code 640 metalic
Pearl black paint code 676 pearlescent
Options on it were
Sat nav
CD changer
Telephone preparation.
The wheel style is known as Alyum
Interier is known as Dark Grey Perforated Leather / Alcantara TC3
Cup
A special edition 172 was made called the Cup. It had nothing to do with homogenisation etc as many people think it did it was a cheaper version of the 172.
Item removed include
Xenons (normal lights were installed)
Climate control (Climate control was an option on later Cups but originally it was removed and most Cups don't have it)
Lumber adjustable leather seats were removed. Normal Cloth seats were installed instead
Front head rests were chnaged from the Coma style to fixed tilt ones.
Rear 60/40 split rear bench was removed instead a fixed one piece cloth was used. No rear headrests were installed and the middle full rear belt was used instead of the full spec normal one.
The aultomatic lights and wiper were also removed
The spare wwheel was removed and a can of tyre foam was instead used.
The front side windows and windscreen were thinned and ligthen the heat resistant and UV protection was removed??????????????????????????????. This does mean that they can crack easier and many people when there replaced have them replaced with normal ones as most garages don't realise the Cup had a different spec windscreen.
Engine cover was removed.
Some soundproofing was removed
The side airbags were removed in the seats
The ABS system was removed a brake pressure valve ensure the rear brakes don't skid brake the carr to hard resultting in a skid. This is often an MOT failure however the DVLA have issued a technical note (?????????????????????????????????) to make testers aware that the Cup is unique.
All Cups are missing the drivers side door lock (for info see above none in phase 2 info).
Ligthening knocked apparently 89kg but figures are unclear as real life seems to disagree.
A lower spec interior was used (known as Mossa Dark Cloth).
The plastic surround on the speedo dials is also in mondail blue unlike the normal 172 which is painted silver.
The wheels were changed for turini ones with a different offset (38.5 vs 48 for the normal phase 2 and 43 for the phase 1) The wheels are lighter than standard ones. Also fitted to the Cups were a different rear spoiler and front splitter.
The Cups suspension was also changed new strenghtened hubs were used since the wheels were of a bigger offset plus more camber was used Also spring and damper rates were reworked with harder lb springs being used . Toe in etc was changed but see here for more details.??????????????????????. The car should be 3 mm lower due to camber changes than a full fat but tolerances arn't that tight so 3mm has no effect. The track was widened due to the wider offset wheels and the adjustment of the camber on the car.
Early Cups only came only in mondial blue (code D43) later ones had the option of silver and air con was an option but finding a Cup with aircon or in silver isn't easy.
The Cups came with different auxiliary belts though the setup was much simplified and a new alternator.
Since the Cup doesn't have ABS the gearbox was changed to a JC5 130 gearbox this was only different in that it had a speedo sensor in it. This was used to give the car its speed signal. This is therefore a problem wwith the Cups that gearbox are more difficult to get hold of since normal 172 phase 2 boxes (whilst still fitting) don't have the speedo output so the speedo doenst work.
The Cup was sold in small number on the continent as the Raigngatti (famous French Renault racing driver) although they were all LHD and had a bit more weight removed as they had no rear windscreen wiper.
There were some Cups sold from a few dealers with a LAD tunning package fitted. This gave a claimed 200hp and warrently cover (where Renault cover was removed due to the modifications) for the modified parts.
Cups did come with some little badges on the drivers door they can fall of though and bought seperate from Renault dealers
Also clear side repeaters were put into production about 2003. (from orange)
I'm sure its been posted in the normal areas that you cna read time and time again.
Re: Difference between Cup and FF 182
Thanks alot for the post very infomative. But i meant the 182 sorry for the confusion. I have ammended the title now as well.
Sorry againg
Greg
Thanks alot for the post very infomative. But i meant the 182 sorry for the confusion. I have ammended the title now as well.
Sorry againg
Greg
nope, thats part of, but the rear axle is different
HyperAlloy Combat Chassis
In a nut shell....
the 182 cup has basic cloth seats with rear bench, air con instead of climate, more basic CD player/speakers, basic steering wheel (that doesn't melt
), lower/stiffer suspension*, revised steering geometry*, anthracite alloys*, 20Kg weight reduction, different font/rear spoilers*, standard non-xenon headlights, and is about ~£1000 cheaper than the standard car.
* = available on standard car with "cup pack" options.
The cup still features cruise, speed limiter and ESP/traction.
the 182 cup has basic cloth seats with rear bench, air con instead of climate, more basic CD player/speakers, basic steering wheel (that doesn't melt
), lower/stiffer suspension*, revised steering geometry*, anthracite alloys*, 20Kg weight reduction, different font/rear spoilers*, standard non-xenon headlights, and is about ~£1000 cheaper than the standard car.* = available on standard car with "cup pack" options.
The cup still features cruise, speed limiter and ESP/traction.
