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Donor dilemma



16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Hi all, I thought I would start a thread about this and hopefully get some sound advice along the way. I am a novice mechanic and have been for many years as I just simply don’t get the time. However none the less I am a petrol head through and through that has owned many different cars, some for long periods and some for short but always had a big passion for fast Renaults.

I won’t waffle on too much as I know how much of a pain in the arse it can be having to read essays!

I have purchased a mk1 Clio valver with a Williams F7R conversion that the engine build and transplant was done by the man himself Nick Hill (Hill Power). I was only on the hunt for the engine to boost and put into my R5. To be brief I have had the R5 for many years, stripped it down to a rolling shell had all welding done, full repspray, got the OE bug bad, got it back on the road, done 6k miles in it and then decided I’m getting a bit bored of it (not completely, still a hoot to drive in fine fresh standard form) but I had many a lusting thought about ditching the C1J for the F7R.

So here is some pics of the valver as I bought her. I basically bought her as a running car but the car had stood for 10 years covered up in a compound. The car had storage marks, all interior stripped, brakes were none existent but engine, gauges and most electrics were working. Engine needed a new injector he said to get it going again and the engine sounded good with its Magnex burbling away it ran up to temp for the fan to kick in and out and hold temp nicely and so I bought it. I fully expected the shell to be rotten and paid what I thought the car was worth to me for the engine box and all the ancillaries.
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The interior, dash everything was slung into the back of the car and I had to have it trailered back as it was no where near road worthy to drive. Then I left it in a garage for nearly 2 years.
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Until now!
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
When I started getting a bit of time to work (or I should say tinker really) with a Clio again (albeit mk1 this time) I first wanted to examine the shell properly as I 100% know what I am looking for here. I had taken it for a drive around the block (death trap with virtually no brakes) but engine and suspension seemed all ok. The car has Bilsteins fitted. The more I kept examining the shell though the more pleasantly surprised I became but then I could see a dilemma in the making and the mrs fretting about me buying and keeping another car. You see where this going.
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Plenty of tidying up to do to say the least. Recommissioning of mechanicals. Plenty of snapped bolts 👌but most importantly no proper rotting here and well worth saving! The worst bit I would say is that the clips for the break pipes and fuel pipes on the floor pan are the only bits where a couple have rusted through the floor so not looking forward to sorting that. The rest of the shell seems to have nothing serious to fail an mot anytime soon so hopefully I will get her road worthy and start putting here through her paces on the lanes and B roads and see if she will stand up to a bit of track action eventually. It’s a shame not to save her IMO and a shame to strip her of her engine.

The problem is this costs time and money and my 5 is already pretty much stripped awaiting the right body shop for me to find to get the shell on a spit and go the whole hog on her now. And then this valver pops up. I suppose there could be worse problems to have. Oh and here is the front window screen on the valver
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16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
I purchased some Kurust gel and scotch pads and started prepping and treating.
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The drivers side rear arch hasn’t been done like the passenger side and it is bubbling up on the outside but after a good rub down no holes appeared and I have applied Kurust to everywhere inside the car and left overnight and painted with Hammerite rust eater grey primer paint to seal it all off and that will do for now. I still purchased a new rear quarter for the drivers side for the future anyway.

I then examined the steering column issue which I have already mentioned on another thread on here and I have had some help with that so thanks👍
To pass an mot I believe I am looking at -
Sorting the steering column play
Sorting why the handbrake lights won’t work
Fit new CV boots

The list of other jobs to sort on this though is much larger! I thought I would start working on cleaning up the car outside a bit first.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Rear arch tidy up and around the petrol cap is great. I gave the callipers a paint to after stripping them all off a recommissioning the seized callipers. Flushed all the brake fluid too. I had some help with this but I feel confident enough to tackle myself next time around.
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16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
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Everything has had a good coat of Kurust gel and now I have even primed too but as I have a lot of existing seam sealer everywhere I wanted to know if I am best to re-coat areas with upol seam sealer And then paint the arches or just paint? I see people using this Gravitex stuff is it? But I don’t want to be using that when my arches are half bare and half seam sealed, better to just finish off with seam sealer and then what should I use to paint?
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Well I got the steering bush welded up by a mate and he gave me a basic tutorial of stick welding. 5ere was remains of the plastic bush still in the gap that melted everywhere but do you think there is enough weld on the four sides for this to hold ok?
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NBG182

ClioSport Club Member
  BG 182FF
Well I got the steering bush welded up by a mate and he gave me a basic tutorial of stick welding. 5ere was remains of the plastic bush still in the gap that melted everywhere but do you think there is enough weld on the four sides for this to hold ok?
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That's only tacked ain't it? Surely whip it out and finish the job. Will beat the hell out of the steering column disconnecting from the rack at 70.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
I agree. The melted plastic has bloody gone everywhere and was oozing out when trying to weld it. Hopefully it won’t second time around.
 

NBG182

ClioSport Club Member
  BG 182FF
I agree. The melted plastic has bloody gone everywhere and was oozing out when trying to weld it. Hopefully it won’t second time around.

If you can I'd try to get the remains of the old bush out of there before welding. Having all that rubber bubbling out of there is bound to contaminate the weld, or atleast just make it difficult to get any kind of good results.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
I wish I had foreseen this. I couldn’t see the bush and the bush was all dripping out of the bottom a lot but it still needs more welding all around to be sure. Thanks for your help.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
I have purchased a SIP arc welder from a local tool shop and had a bash at strengthening this weld. It’s not pretty but I feel it will be strong enough to the standard bush. Here is pics from all four angles.
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16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Rust on the front arches treated and painted just for prolonging life for now. Rear arches treated from inside, the near side had been replaced but drivers side I have just caught in time. I bought a new rear quarter off eBay for £39 though. Arch liners cleaned up and refitted. Two bigger plastic inserts required now for two holes that have rusted bigger. Scuttle areas all cleaned up mint and cleaned up scuttle covers one is cracked but I’m not buying a new one for now. Polished the glass to remove the remains of the sun strip and stickers. I got hold of scuttle cover clips and rear window pop out window fixing. Fitted new back box hanger rubbers straighten the exhaust a bit better and polished it up with polish and wire wool. Then I couldn’t resist and did the whole car, just a quick job. Carpet back in and seat back in.

I went for a quick test drive and steering is straight and precise. Bilstein suspension feels well set up too. CV boots need replacing but to be honest I would like to take the front subframe off and aqua blast and paint everything and change all the bushes, wishbones, driveshafts, track ends the lot but it will take me forever at the rate I go and I haven’t done it before. I need to not get carried away too much with this for now as I have become a bit obsessed with this valver and I have completely shelved my 5 which I shouldn’t do. The 5 is my priority I keep telling myself! F7R feels great though, reminds me of my 182.
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16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
I purchased a boot lid that is standard with badges, boot lock and wiper. It won’t get fitted until she gets paint one day. It’s blue so not going to fit it although I want to get rid of the spoiler so bad! The black paint on her has a metallic sparkle in it. I here there were two black colours that was available in the valvers so is this black paint an optional extra from new? Colour is dull now but this is like glitter in the paint that only shows in sunlight. I have all the oe parts for the car including all trim some that is new in the packaging as well as rubber window trims and brake ducts for the wishbones.some stuff is very tired and worn though. All this stuff won’t get fitted now but it’s all new to me. I had a 97 Punto GT back in the day instead of a valver. Always loved the valver but it was a punto gt or a 5 gtt I was choosing between back then, I just love the boost!
 

dann2707

ClioSport Club Member
For the sake of all things that are holy please don't drive your car with that welded like that

If you can take it off and take it to me in derby I'll do it for you for free.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
It is a steering rack off job isn’t it? I’m sure the standard plastic bush wouldn’t have been as strong as that?

When the subframe comes off I will have it done better. Thanks for the offer and advice.
 

dann2707

ClioSport Club Member
It is a steering rack off job isn’t it? I’m sure the standard plastic bush wouldn’t have been as strong as that?

When the subframe comes off I will have it done better. Thanks for the offer and advice.
I think it would dude! That doesn't look strong at all mate.

No worries buddy, just let me know and very happy to help.
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
That’s great thanks. I was never going to push it or even drive fast on me test drive. Just low speed hard cornering, some manoeuvres in an open space and then a bit of road to see if all seemed well and it did thank god! I couldn’t resist and was very cautious of it. A nice bit of low down grunt in the F7R! Here’s a pic of my DIY rust stop arches for now as it stands! What quality of work I produce!🤣👌 I need to plug that hole into the chassis what have people covered it with!

Next step see if I have the bottle to take this subframe off someday or pay my mech to do it, but that’s the R5 budget!
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