Drive in drive out turbo conversion

gavin.potter · Mar 29, 2014

So I've recently purchased a 172 that I am quite impressed with. I was thinking of then complimenting with a r26. However I love the clio that much I've been tempted to buy another and install some forced induction and put it on a weight loss plan ;-)

As I am new to the forum could anyone point me in the direction of best drive in drive out solutions? Or a better plan would be to do it myself but as I have little mechanical experience I really would need lots of practical help but is there anyone who would do this type of thing?

just-that-ek · Mar 29, 2014

gavin.potter said:
So I've recently purchased a 172 that I am quite impressed with. I was thinking of then complimenting with a r26. However I love the clio that much I've been tempted to buy another and install some forced induction and put it on a weight loss plan ;-)

As I am new to the forum could anyone point me in the direction of best drive in drive out solutions? Or a better plan would be to do it myself but as I have little mechanical experience I really would need lots of practical help but is there anyone who would do this type of thing?

http://www.engine-dynamics.com/TurboConversion/cid103/TurboConversion.asp

Chi · Mar 29, 2014

Dan@SJM

Chip-mk1 · Mar 29, 2014

R26 will be cheaper and hold it's value longer than if you go and pay for a turbo conversion including labour.

Buy one already done so someone else has lost lots of money on it?

Chip-mk1 · Mar 29, 2014

E.g

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/151262318714?nav=SEARCH&clk_rvr_id=610976227791&afsrc=1

leew88 · Mar 29, 2014

Id buy that, use the bits to boost yours then sell that to regain most of your dollars

Chip-mk1 · Mar 29, 2014

leew88 said:
Id buy that, use the bits to boost yours then sell that to regain most of your dollars

He says he wants a second car, so why not just buy something like this and leave it?

and why would he be selling parts in dollars if he is uk based, this adding currency complexity that isn't needed? Or is dollars what cool 12 year olds now say as I'm a bit old for that nonsense.

leew88 · Mar 29, 2014

I wouldnt want a engine or box i knew had been running alot more hp than it was intended

Bluebeard · Mar 29, 2014

Chip-mk1 said:
He says he wants a second car, so why not just buy something like this and leave it?

and why would he be selling parts in dollars if he is uk based, this adding currency complexity that isn't needed? Or is dollars what cool 12 year olds now say as I'm a bit old for that nonsense.

Grumpy chip is grumpy.

Chip-mk1 · Mar 29, 2014

leew88 said:
I wouldnt want a engine or box i knew had been running alot more hp than it was intended

But would want the hassle of putting all the bits on another engine? Why not just leave it working and then put the bits on another engine if that one dies?
May as well use it if it's all working IMHO.

Chip-mk1 · Mar 29, 2014

Daniel said:
Grumpy chip is grumpy.

No. British chip is patriotic and sees no need for kids to constantly pretend it's America.

Andy93 · Mar 29, 2014

Andyrg

Liam B · Mar 29, 2014

http://www.clioturbo.co.uk/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=87

Been very tempted myself.

gavin.potter · Mar 29, 2014

Lol... Yeah it's a second car so if I could get one for that kind of money it would stay as is.... They seem to be quite hard to find other than eBay and I've been stung before with eBay :-(

Dan@SJM · Mar 29, 2014

I'm looking to be able to do them at £3200 drive in drive out.

gavin.potter · Mar 29, 2014

That's the kind of figure I was expecting. Need to drive one first to see.

Chi · Mar 29, 2014

Where are u based mate..

gavin.potter · Mar 29, 2014

Mansfield....

Chi · Mar 29, 2014

was going to offer you a go in mine.. Mines fully forged though..

Stay Puft · Mar 29, 2014

Chi said:
was going to offer you a go in mine.. Mines fully forged though..

Can i have a go if you're ever in Hampshire please! I might turbo mine if I go to uni in September.

Chi · Mar 29, 2014

No probs mate.. I'm sure Dan@SJM would take you out if you ask him nicely

Jack! · Mar 29, 2014

Davyy said:
Can i have a go if you're ever in Hampshire please! I might turbo mine if I go to uni in September.

Won't going to Uni mean you have less money, not more?

Dan@SJM said:
I'm looking to be able to do them at £3200 drive in drive out.

What sort of power output at that price?

gavin.potter · Mar 29, 2014

Do you live close Chi?

DTM Cars Ltd · Mar 29, 2014

Andys kit is £2800 drive in and out

http://www.clioturbo.co.uk/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=87

Chip-mk1 · Mar 30, 2014

JackleCube said:
Won't going to Uni mean you have less money, not more?

What sort of power output at that price?

Would imagine it will be clutch limited at that price, and that's going to vary from car to car based on current clutch make and condition.
So probably 230 ish?

Chip-mk1 · Mar 30, 2014

DTM Cars Ltd said:
Andys kit is £2800 drive in and out

http://www.clioturbo.co.uk/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=87

that really is good value.

Chi · Mar 30, 2014

Chip-mk1 said:
that really is good value.

Cheapest isn't always best

in fact it seldom is.

Dan@SJM · Mar 30, 2014

JackleCube said:
Won't going to Uni mean you have less money, not more?

What sort of power output at that price?

Tbh I'd like to see the same power that my supercharged one is doing which is circa 270-280. But I think I'm pushing mine a bit too much for the general public to be left with (mine sees new oil every 2000 miles, is rarely given proper abuse etc) So I'd say 250 would be my expected output.

I will be running a different turbo to what Andy offers, (gt2860r in my kit) and I plan ok having a very controllable boost regulation (boost x rpm x throttle) to give power all the way to the redline, and more importantly in my opinion a very neat torque curve. Similar to my supercharged car:

I can't price match Andy, as my ecu, electronic boost control solenoid and turbo are more expensive.

Stay Puft · Mar 30, 2014

JackleCube said:
Won't going to Uni mean you have less money, not more?

It's not that i can't afford it, it's that I do a lot of miles currently so if the car isn't used much id have a turbo.

gavin.potter · Mar 30, 2014

Lol... I'm very interested in this now... Currently looking for cars to have this. A few options at the moment. Would love a white one to compliment the current black one. Maybe a damaged one would suite and get it wrapped.

gavin.potter · Mar 30, 2014

I've never seen one in the flesh but in general like white cars. Think it would compliment the black one very well too. What other mods do people recommend with to compliment the turbo? I feel as though the standard brakes are very well setup well on the black one they are with Brembo upgrade discs and mintex pads. The clutch seems to be a question mark though.

Liam B · Mar 30, 2014

gavin.potter said:
I've never seen one in the flesh but in general like white cars. Think it would compliment the black one very well too. What other mods do people recommend with to compliment the turbo? I feel as though the standard brakes are very well setup well on the black one they are with Brembo upgrade discs and mintex pads. The clutch seems to be a question mark though.

Depends what power you're looking for. If I ever turbo'd mine I'd upgrade the clutch at the same time. I would keep some money spare just in case anything happens to your gearbox too.

Chi · Mar 30, 2014

Id suggest fresh suspension and lsd is always good. .

gavin.potter · Mar 30, 2014

Is there a recommended gearbox upgrade? I hear very mixed results about the paddle clutch. What power is the recommended for road with occasional track use? I think I would be happy with 230 - 260 to be honest.

chris_p · Mar 30, 2014

Just buy a mk1 FRS. LSD standard, it will hardly depreciate if at all, and there's heaps of tuning potential.

DTM Cars Ltd · Mar 30, 2014

Chip-mk1 said:
that really is good value.

Yeah Chip he certainly does have a good deal, and considering its got more parts of better quality than one of his well known competitors ( Not a member on here) and with a Standalone its certainly value, i believe hes on number 32 now with no issues of any of the parts at all

Even at a £300 extra you will receive a Garret Turbo over the very reliable one that hes offering. its all about what the customer needs and wants

Some times people who think they have too much money just go and buy things that are over priced because there completely clueless or sucked into a "BRAND NAME"

Here is a Roling Road Graph of Andys Package for the 265bhp conversion, with Megane 225 Pistons and Rods

So i cant see any skimping going on here to effect "limited Performance "

http://www.clioturbo.co.uk/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=87&product_id=64

gavin.potter · Mar 30, 2014

That's it gonna go for it. Just need to find the correct clio to start with.

scooby-93 · Mar 31, 2014

gavin.potter said:
That's it gonna go for it. Just need to find the correct clio to start with.

Yeah I'm going for this package aswell i think need to speak to insurance company first make sure I don't pay through the roof and all been well let's get boost

gavin.potter · Mar 31, 2014

Yeah I need to sell my Saxo 2nd car first to make room :-(

Ph1 Tom · Mar 31, 2014

DTM Cars Ltd said:
Yeah Chip he certainly does have a good deal, and considering its got more parts of better quality than one of his well known competitors ( Not a member on here) and with a Standalone its certainly value, i believe hes on number 32 now with no issues of any of the parts at all Even at a £300 extra you will receive a Garret Turbo over the very reliable one that hes offering. its all about what the customer needs and wants

Some times people who think they have too much money just go and buy things that are over priced because there completely clueless or sucked into a "BRAND NAME"

Here is a Roling Road Graph of Andys Package for the 265bhp conversion, with Megane 225 Pistons and Rods

So i cant see any skimping going on here to effect "limited Performance "

http://www.clioturbo.co.uk/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=87&product_id=64

Dan@SJM said:
Tbh I'd like to see the same power that my supercharged one is doing which is circa 270-280. But I think I'm pushing mine a bit too much for the general public to be left with (mine sees new oil every 2000 miles, is rarely given proper abuse etc) So I'd say 250 would be my expected output.

I will be running a different turbo to what Andy offers, (gt2860r in my kit) and I plan ok having a very controllable boost regulation (boost x rpm x throttle) to give power all the way to the redline, and more importantly in my opinion a very neat torque curve. Similar to my supercharged car:

I can't price match Andy, as my ecu, electronic boost control solenoid and turbo are more expensive.

tbf both graphs look good! One would give you more midrange due to the way its setup. For an inexpensive and effective road car setup that would be a great choice. The more linear one would be better on track and the one I'd go for because I prefer a linear curve.

You could do that with either setup though by running electronic boost control either through the ECU or an external boost controller, you could have multiple maps too and have the best of both.

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