Engine building, timing, upgrades etc

[Usr117063]

My first start up

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Bag of spanners 😉

 

[1985michael182]

Bag of spanners 😉

Sounds like it lol

 

[1985michael182]

After some idle tweeks

 

[Usr117063]

That was a while back with the hpas. Are you going turbo after all?

 

[1985michael182]

🤷‍♂️

 

[plees]

@colesy just come across the thread.

Going down a very similar route but with 197 cams. Hoping to get booked into efi at some point this year so will be good to compare the group n vs 197 cams (vague I know)

 

[colesy]

@colesy just come across the thread.

Going down a very similar route but with 197 cams. Hoping to get booked into efi at some point this year so will be good to compare the group n vs 197 cams (vague I know)

Ah cool, that would be interesting to compare. I don’t think the numbers will be to dissimilar but the way it makes them I think would be different.

 

[1985michael182]

I can see a joint mapping day here!!!
Get booked on together!!
Are you both going to be same spec apart from cams?

 

[plees]

Im looking at the following:

197 cams
matched inlets
ktec/ram air induction
EPAS and no aircon
Arp rod bolts
182 manifold

Think thats it from memory!

 

[Eddie555]

Im looking at the following:

197 cams
matched inlets
ktec/ram air induction
EPAS and no aircon
Arp rod bolts
182 manifold

Think thats it from memory!

Apart from the 182 mani that's the same as my mods.. Mapped at Efi last month just before Chris shut up shop...

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[colesy]

Now I’ve got it back together I’m now thinking that I should’ve done an EPAS conversion at the same time. Is it hard to do? I’ve not done any research into it

 

[Eddie555]

Now I’ve got it back together I’m now thinking that I should’ve done an EPAS conversion at the same time. Is it hard to do? I’ve not done any research into it

It would have been easier when the engine was out but still its not hard... It was easier for me as I had access to a 2 post ramp and I just dropped my subframe and changed the rack over on the floor.. the interior part changing the column is a piss easy as was the wiring to it... removing all the old hpas hoses were a bit of a pain though if you want to keep them intact..

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[Usr117063]

Its the mess of the hpas fluid that was the worst part for me, although had a bit of a time doing the wiring but It was my first time doing such job, had a couple problems prop up which @1985michael182 helped with

 

[Eddie555]

Its the mess of the hpas fluid that was the worst part for me, although had a bit of a time doing the wiring but It was my first time doing such job, had a couple problems prop up which @1985michael182 helped with

Yea I read you were having issues with using an existing main power feed. Mines a Cup and I dont think that main feed is in mine so I had a quick look couldn't find one so I just ran an 8 gauge power cable straight to my internal bulkhead power supply from my battery relocation wiring..All the rest of the wiring was a doddle..I think I spent 1/2 hr tops and it was done..

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[plees]

All back together now! @colesy you way ahead of me!

 

[1985michael182]

Now I’ve got it back together I’m now thinking that I should’ve done an EPAS conversion at the same time. Is it hard to do? I’ve not done any research into it

Read my thread m8. It's all on there.

 

[1985michael182]

All back together now! @colesy you way ahead of me!

And GroupN timing completed

 

[Usr117063]

Yea I read you were having issues with using an existing main power feed. Mines a Cup and I dont think that main feed is in mine so I had a quick look couldn't find one so I just ran an 8 gauge power cable straight to my internal bulkhead power supply from my battery relocation wiring..All the rest of the wiring was a doddle..I think I spent 1/2 hr tops and it was done..

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I had to buy a nonsport loom which had the correct gauge wire that goes under the skuttle to the relays, worked out perfect.

I have a cup interior loom and both power and earths are in there btw

 

[Eddie555]

I had to buy a nonsport loom which had the correct gauge wire that goes under the skuttle to the relays, worked out perfect.

I have a cup interior loom and both power and earths are in there btw

Lol.. TBF. I spent all of 2 mins looking, thought F**k it and #becausefrenchwiring, thought its better to run new thicker cabling anyway..

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[Usr117063]

haha yeah I put way too much trust in this car especially the wiring!

 

[1985michael182]

Another good reason for Epas is the reduced weight and less strain on the engine with a reduced rotating mass.
Only need the alternator on the auxiliary belt, well water pump aswell but that goes without saying.

Losing the aircon pump and hpas is a huge saving In weight with all the gubbins that goes with it. Less to maintain and more room in the bay.

Can drop the sub frame in a fraction of the time aswell with out all the pipes to contend with.

My plan was do it once do it right then I dont need to bugger around anymore just nut and bolt checks with usual maintenance.

 

[Usr117063]

Yeah that was my plan to do it right as well, for some reason my subframe is on the floor after rebuilding the rack and putting the rack back in with the subframe in situ, only to find out that in fact the rack bushes are shot after thinking it was just because one of the bolts came loose. Powerflex ones btw

 

[1985michael182]

Wow! Didnt think they ever failed

 

[Usr117063]

My clio is cursed and its problems unique to any other clio. Low mileage silver 182s from dodgy dealers basically just sell your soul instead youll have less stress in life

 

[1985michael182]

Erm 🙋‍♂️ mines ok

 

[1985michael182]

And mines only on 45000

 

[1985michael182]

I think it's the numpty holding the tools 😁

 

[Usr117063]

Any minute it will turn into one of those transformers machines but the bad ones, the decepticons

 

[Usr117063]

Its not my fault

 

[1985michael182]

Its not my fault

I believe you

Millions wouldnt

 

[Usr117063]

2 racks failed, driveshaft snapped mid corner, abs pumps being c***s, bolts holding the rear hubs on snapping.

These are renault numptys at fault!

 

[1985michael182]

Genuine shaft?
ABS you dont need that's your own fault
As for racks, youve pulled them to bits, I would have left them well alone. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
You are the first person I've heard of bolts snapping aswell

 

[1985michael182]

Did you damage your wheel arch when the bolts snapped ?

 

[Usr117063]

Yeah was the original one on from factory.
Yeah abs is my fault I should of left it alone but I at least I now know how to make brake lines now.
Unfortunately the hydraulic quick rack failed, the car was perfect before this started. Recent rack problem I think is just bad luck.
I know the stub axles can bend quite bad.. I think its just a good excuse to buy more parts and make things better in the process.

When it was corner weighted I remember being amazed at how easy it was to drive, was comical the amount of grip it had. It will get there again, very soon!

 

[Usr117063]

Did you damage your wheel arch when the bolts snapped ?

I think its minimal as the wheel didnt actually come off when they snapped it was still resting on the bolts, the wheel came off when it was on the back of the truck so the car just rested on the wheel slightly

 

[colesy]

Sorry to resurrect this thread but I’m thinking out loud here, so I’ve had the group n done but for obvious reasons I can’t get it mapped. Would I be mental to buy another key/uch/ecu that’s been mapped on an engine that’s had group n just to allow me to drive the car and make sure the engine is all okay?
since I rebuilt It I still havent driven far through fear of melting a piston or something stupid. I just don’t want to get up Chester when allowed and find it goes bang or something on the dyno lol

 

[1985michael182]

EFI is now open I believe m8. Just be patient and it will reward you. Get yourself booked in asap and try not to drive it

 

[colesy]

Yeah I think I’m just getting impatient to get it done. I’ve got a trailer now so don’t have to drive it there which is a good thing

 

[1985michael182]

Get it booked in then what you messing about at

 

[Crazylegs]

Can I ask, is the Group N timing tool still readily available at all? Not after one just yet but I will be in the future.