Engine conversion that hasnt been declared on insurance . ( not me lol )

[kie1an]

I have promised my mate i will do a bit of research for him tonight and tbh this is the perfect place to do it not sure if it is the right part of cliosport to put it in as he doesnt have a clio but tbh from the replies i get other people could use the info on their clio's . Basically the upshot of it is that a work friend got himself a vauxhall corsa off autotrader with and undeclared engine conversion . It was sold with no MOT etc He doesnt intend on changing the v5 over to it now being a redtop ( dispite knowing the risks involved ) Its all ready for its MOT but doesnt want to get caught out by the tester as iirc they will write down what engine size etc you have . so how does he go about getting an MOT ? is it all about knowing the right garage or will most garages not give a toss or in some cases notice ?:S hope someone can shed some light .

 

[Aluco]

Tell him to go to any shady looking garage in bradford and slip them an extra £20...

Bad idea though.

 

[kie1an]

so they do look out for these things ie. engine size and will most probably report him . I know a garage around by me that i rekon might pass it if given a bit of money . but i said he would look a t**t if he offered them money and they told him where to go with it , then reported him !! ha ha

 

[Aluco]

Dont let them see the reg when asking then they cant report you if they say no ?

 

[kie1an]

so in answer they will look under the bonnet and will notice the " wrong engine " lol i think its registered as a 1.4 ?.

 

[ditz]

nope, nothing to do with the tester.
even if he blatently knows its got a bigger engine theres no way he can prove it short of pulling the engine apart and measuring the bores and stroke which he cant do -

 

[kie1an]

do they even really look under the bonnet .? iirc correctly you work in a garage dont you ?

 

[ditz]

yes i do.. yes there are under bonnet checks.. but it dosn't matter if it had a jet from a 747 under the bonnet as long as it passes the testable items its no concern of his what engine it is.

IF you were unlucky enough to have your car in for test on a day a vosa examinter decides to turn up and he clocks it, they may have a thing or two to say about it.. but even still i doubt it

 

[kie1an]

my mate is making a faff out of it . refusing to take it anywhere incase he gets in the s**t for it . il tell him what you said about the " 747 engine " ha ha

 

[mattjk]

My only concern would be a larger engine producing higher emmisions

 

[Addz]

what about emmision test though? surely a 1.4 should be lower than a 2 litre? might fail that...


***bahh beaten too it

 

[ditz]

nope. get the same emmsions out of a 4l jaguar v8 as you do a 1.2 clio... all cars that run a catylitic converter give out roughly the same readings anywhere from 0 to typically 0.10 (allowed 0.30 on extended test) for co.. HC 100 ish max and lambda 1..

impossible to tell size of engine looking at emmisions data

 

[kie1an]

the only way he could ever get found out then is

1. Vosa check while being MOT'd ( not likely )
2.Police spot check ( do these happen , checking engine size ? )
3.Have an accident ( obvious reasons would get found out )
or 4. Insurance auditer check ( again very rare )

 

[bmh.01]

Bottom line is whilst it isn't a very good idea unless he stacks it he'll most likely get away with it. And even then they should still pay out to the 3rd party he'll just get spitroasted, even he's even going to bother insuring it?

 

[clvs2222]

in the engine number on the side of the block would give it away.

 

[172Ben]

surely this is a ultimate fail. Wont it void the insurance if its not down on the log book as a 2ltr?

Or am i just chatting poo!!

 

[clvs2222]

tel him to bring it down to me, slip me some dosh and ill get my mate to do it for him. proper MOT test station that he workx in.

 

[kie1an]

Bottom line is whilst it isn't a very good idea unless he stacks it he'll most likely get away with it. And even then they should still pay out to the 3rd party he'll just get spitroasted, even he's even going to bother insuring it?

yes he says he is going to insure it , tax it etc

 

[kie1an]

in the engine number on the side of the block would give it away.

surely they wouldnt give too much of a toss to check

 

[172Ben]

i could just send you an mot certificate.

But that is dodgeeeeeey!!!

 

[kie1an]

surely this is a ultimate fail. Wont it void the insurance if its not down on the log book as a 2ltr?

Or am i just chatting poo!!

yes i thought it would void the insurance then meaning you could get done for fraud . but if the police pull you over it keeps them off your back if you have insurance. being void or not . might aswell buy the lowest level of cover etc as it would mean jack .

 

[kie1an]

i could just send you an mot certificate.

But that is dodgeeeeeey!!!

how does that work ?

 

[kie1an]

tel him to bring it down to me, slip me some dosh and ill get my mate to do it for him. proper MOT test station that he workx in.

going to give him all the facts iv learnt from this thread . will pass it by him that offer . thanks chris .

 

[172Ben]

surely this is a ultimate fail. Wont it void the insurance if its not down on the log book as a 2ltr?

Or am i just chatting poo!!

yes i thought it would void the insurance then meaning you could get done for fraud . but if the police pull you over it keeps them off your back if you have insurance. being void or not . might aswell buy the lowest level of cover etc as it would mean jack .

If hes insuring it as a 2ltr, why isnt he changing the log book? Thats what i dont understand???

 

[kie1an]

he isnt going to insure it as a 2litre . he is going to tell them its a 1.4 corse life etc so if the police pull you over etc they think you have perfectly legit insurance etc .

 

[RickyP]

Plus his insurance will be say £500 for a 1.4 rather than a £1000 for declaring all the mods..

 

[172Ben]

he isnt going to insure it as a 2litre . he is going to tell them its a 1.4 corse life etc so if the police pull you over etc they think you have perfectly legit insurance etc .

In that case IMO hes an idiot.

Main reason why insurance is expensive as it is because of this, he may aswell just not insure it as itll be invalid anyway.

 

[kie1an]

thats always been the respnse tbh on cliosport for all the people with clios that do this sort of thing . and its understandable .

 

[ditz]

i could just send you an mot certificate.

But that is dodgeeeeeey!!!

how does that work ?

it dosn't.

yet to find a tester stupid enough to do that nowadays.. use to happen with the written certificates a mate of mine used to write them out down the pub lol..

 

[172Ben]

There is no other response for it. I cant even say what i want to as it gets me so bloody angry!!

 

[172Ben]

how does that work ?

it dosn't.

yet to find a tester stupid enough to do that nowadays.. use to happen with the written certificates a mate of mine used to write them out down the pub lol..

I could send one tommorow so it can still be done, not what you know and all that

 

[Ian]

In that case IMO hes an idiot.

Main reason why insurance is expensive as it is because of this, he may aswell just not insure it as itll be invalid anyway.

I think he's trying to say that although it's not the truth it will keep the police from looking into it due to lack of insurance. So it's not a case of the insurance being valid, rather that it will pass a spot check. Like people have said if the guy in the garage can't prove it's a 2 litre easily then neither will the police.

Personally I don't agree with it, but at the end of the day it's his choice, albeit a poor one!

 

[kie1an]

how does that work ?

it dosn't.

yet to find a tester stupid enough to do that nowadays.. use to happen with the written certificates a mate of mine used to write them out down the pub lol..

lol thats mad , with a packet of crisps by his side :rasp:

 

[172Ben]

In that case IMO hes an idiot.

Main reason why insurance is expensive as it is because of this, he may aswell just not insure it as itll be invalid anyway.

I think he's trying to say that although it's not the truth it will keep the police from looking into it due to lack of insurance. So it's not a case of the insurance being valid, rather that it will pass a spot check. Like people have said if the guy in the garage can't prove it's a 2 litre easily then neither will the police.

Personally I don't agree with it, but at the end of the day it's his choice, albeit a poor one!

Yeh i know mate. But what happens if he hits someone, runs a pedestrian down or something. He may never ever have an accident, and touch wood he doesnt, but thats what its there for, just incase.

IMO ultimate fail and i wouldnt supply a certificate knowing it was helping the guy to brap around in an uninsured 2ltr

 

[Ian]

Yeah very true mate, wise words

Cya on Monday fella.

 

[kie1an]

I think he's trying to say that although it's not the truth it will keep the police from looking into it due to lack of insurance. So it's not a case of the insurance being valid, rather that it will pass a spot check. Like people have said if the guy in the garage can't prove it's a 2 litre easily then neither will the police.

Personally I don't agree with it, but at the end of the day it's his choice, albeit a poor one!

Yeh i know mate. But what happens if he hits someone, runs a pedestrian down or something. He may never ever have an accident, and touch wood he doesnt, but thats what its there for, just incase.

IMO ultimate fail and i wouldnt supply a certificate knowing it was helping the guy to brap around in an uninsured 2ltr

people who do this run the risk . the first 6 months of owning my car i was insured with direct line and my car is modified . not knowing this voids my insurance etc . i was quite dull to it . In the end sorted that all out . so tbh i cant go slagging him off as its no different than driving around with a set of alloy wheels and not telling your insurance company .

 

[172Ben]

Im a wise guy,lol. Happened to my mates sister who got run over buy this type of situation. Lets say it wasnt a very nice experience.

Yeh cya monday mate.

 

[ditz]

it dosn't.

yet to find a tester stupid enough to do that nowadays.. use to happen with the written certificates a mate of mine used to write them out down the pub lol..

I could send one tommorow so it can still be done, not what you know and all that

it can be done yeah... but anyone moronic enough to print them out and send them out nowadays needs help.

 

[kie1an]

and he aint really going to go around brapping ( married with kids etc ) not going to be his way i suppose .

 

[172Ben]

I could send one tommorow so it can still be done, not what you know and all that

it can be done yeah... but anyone moronic enough to print them out and send them out nowadays needs help.

Yeh i wouldnt do it, was just saying its still kinda easy to do