Engine Transplant Finished

[baddasschris]

Well... Almost! Few technical difficulties.

Just put a 1.8 16v engine into my 1.4rt 1996 clio.

Just finished the fuel lines and a few other bits today.

Loom is all connected, it just plugged straight in.

Clifford still works... Superb.
Renault Key still works... Even better!
Put In Key.
First turn... fine!
Next Turn, Ignition (Without even trying to turn the engine).... CHAOS.
Something In the engine bay is clicking like mad and all the dashboard lights are flashing.
I call someone to stand by the engine bay while i do it again to see where its coming from and after clicking for 5-10 secs it loses power, must be a fuse?


Anyway... i think its the relays clicking or something? Electrics aint my strong point at all.
Battery is now on charge just in case but i'm pretty sure it aint that.

Any Ideas???

 

[Lunner]

Only thing i can suggest is check all teh fuses relays etc, make sure everything is plugged in and connected properly

 

[donsrno1]

don't know about this mate but was the conversion itself relatively simple? If you don't mine me asking how much was it to do the conversion as I'm thinking of doing one to mine in the summer as a bit of a project.

 

[baddasschris]

yeah straight forward, i aint no mechanic and i did this with no help at all.
Just a haynes manual.
Had a week of work to do it though.
I'm Up to about £600 i think, but i've put loads of new stuff on it, timing belt, tensioners, uprated clutch etc etc
also changed all the brakes, suspension, gearbox, driveshafts, fuel pump blah blah blah.


Just need to get the damn thing running now

 

[TD172]

Is the earth connection tight on the battery?? I've seen this problem before. Also, what phase is the 16 valver and what phase is your RT. More importantly Did the valver have an immobiliser ECU??

 

[baddasschris]

Right the valver would of been 1995-ish, cant remember off the top of my head.
My clio is phase 3.
What you mean by immobiliser ECU?

 

[TD172]

Hya Don. These conversions are piss easy as long as you get everything from the donor car. Otherwise it's a trip to renault and a good ass ramming In terms of money. lol.

Oh and if you get hold of the engine from a phase 2 vaver, make sure you get the transponder box from behind the passenger speaker and the key fobs and the roof mounted reciever so it all works. Otherwise you'll need either the override code that was supplied with the car, or a Phase1 ECU.

 

[baddasschris]

aha, i didnt get no transponder box, key fobs, or reciever.
So where do i get an overide code and where do you enter it?

 

[TD172]

Right the valver would of been 1995-ish, cant remember off the top of my head.
My clio is phase 3.
What you mean by immobiliser ECU?

Some newer valvers, and all PH3 clio RT and RSI had a transponder immobiliser that required a code be transmitted from a little box of tricks inside the car behind the passenger speaker to the ECU. The little box also had to recieve the right code from the key fob to be activated.

The ECU wont work unless it recieves the code from the correct transponder, so if the valver had an immobiliser, you'll need to either:

1. Get hold of the transponder unit and fit it to your RT, Swap the key fobs and roof IR Reciever from the donor valver.

2. Use a phase 1 valver ECU. You will no longer have an renault immobiliser

Williams ECUs dont have an immobiliser regardless of phase so they just plug in. As do Ph1 valver ECUs, but you loose your factory immobiliser with them too.


A good way to find this out is to put the ignition on the second notch, press the accelerator and press the button on the end of the wiper stalk. If the engine warning light flashes then you're buggered unless you have the valver's override card with the code on it, in this case you can enter this by pressing the button the correct number of times, I.E. 1344 = press wait press press press wait press press press press wait press press press press. If the engine light stops flashing it'll work.

 

[TD172]

aha, i didnt get no transponder box, key fobs, or reciever.
So where do i get an overide code and where do you enter it?

The cards were given with the owners manual when the car was sold. Your valver may not even have an immobiliser so I would try some things first.

That clicking sounds like the battery is dead or the earth is not connected well and the allarm is going off but quietly. I would try tightening the battery connections and check whether it's charged, if it is then try resetting your clifford and open/close the doors with the plip a few times, also remember that the bonnet has a alarm button on it and so acts as if the door's open so close it when you use your plip.

 

[baddasschris]

starting to get the idea now.
so what you reckon?
i doubt i can get the transponder etc off the valver as its been scrapped now.
The Ecu will have a serial number on it wont it?
What you reckon the chances are of getting the overide code from renault?

 

[TD172]

Not sure mate. If you're still stuck after fiddling, Ive got a PH1 valver ECU here that you can have for a tenner.

 

[baddasschris]

sweet nice one,
Where area you in?

 

[16v_jon]

earth strap connected to the subframe?

 

[TD172]

Liverpool. but post is cheap

 

[baddasschris]

earth strap connected yes,
Think i'll go over every earth tommorow an make sure its a good connection.
Cheers 4 help, will be in touch

 

[TD172]

The main earth for the actual car body is bolted by the passenger headlight. That's the one that'll cause most problems. The gearbox braided earth strap is mainly for noise surpression (I.E for the radio)

 

[baddasschris]

Right, i've checked all earth connections and loom and they're all fine.
Its still clicking wildly and lights flashing.
Should i have changed the ignition module? Might that be something to do with it?

 

[TD172]

Shouldn't do mate. Next thing I suppose is to find the source of the clicking in the bay.

 

[baddasschris]

after the clifford autoarm has kicked in, the can will turn to ignition without any problem.
But as soon as i press the clifford key pad to activate it, it goes mad again.

So i'm thinking it may be a clifford problem. Anyone know about this? I cant be ringing the guy up on xmas eve

 

[TD172]

I think you better contact the guy. Is the battery charged properly mate?

 

[baddasschris]

yeah fully, guess i'll have to wait till next week.
and i was looking forward to taking it out for a thrash, damn

 

[baddasschris]

Td172 pm'd

 

[TD172]

Read and replied.

 

[FlansS14]

Just a thought!! I tried to put a phase1 engine in a phase 2 (both 16V) it just wouln't start.... foune out the looms were different....

You may fine the clicking is the Fuel pump realy..... Check that where the engine plugs in all the conections line up. ie red for red white for white....

I swapped looms and it was fine....

 

[TD172]

On dialogys, the engine looms for a C57D >94 and 94> are both the same, I.E 77 01 467 453

Although I know what you mean flans. I have two different looms herein front o me. One has the white fuel pump wire on the white plug and the other has it on the brown plug. But If renault would sell you the same part numbers for either phase then they must both work. Unless it depends on the ECU you have.

 

[donsrno1]

did you manage to get this sorted in the end?